<![CDATA[Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well…]]>Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well…

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/01a5592f-bfa2-42d9-a331-ca339f0d0fc4/not-saying-carbon-capture-will-never-work-but-so-far-wellRSS for NodeFri, 10 Jul 2026 22:32:46 GMTSat, 27 Jun 2026 13:19:03 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:29:07 GMT]]>@noctuaminervae thank you! 💛

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/nimro/statuses/116827026057330135https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/nimro/statuses/116827026057330135Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:29:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 08:47:43 GMT]]>@renardboy @thomasfuchs
Yup. Preventing emissions is 1000x more efficient than capture and storage. If and when we have so much surplus of green energy that we can use it to clean the air, go for it, but otherwise, it's replacing one shitstain with another.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ohai.social/users/MennoWolff/statuses/116826863273010294https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ohai.social/users/MennoWolff/statuses/116826863273010294Sun, 28 Jun 2026 08:47:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 08:43:25 GMT]]>@renardboy
No, you are mistaken. We need the carbon dioxide to get out of the atmosphere and stay out of the atmosphere. That means no conversion into fuel and burn it back into the air.

It means turn it into carbon so that it can be stored without gassing out by accident reverting all the capture effort.

Using CO2 from the air for combustion fuel means "This current heat stays as it is". Storing it means "We start to revert the climate catastrophy." and the price tag for that is not measured in costs for capturing, transforming and storing, its measured in extinction prevented.
@thomasfuchs

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/momo/statuses/116826846385745695https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/momo/statuses/116826846385745695Sun, 28 Jun 2026 08:43:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 08:43:13 GMT]]>@zbrown @thomasfuchs
Yeah, but setting it on fire is soooo much more comfortable.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ohai.social/users/MennoWolff/statuses/116826845548263515https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ohai.social/users/MennoWolff/statuses/116826845548263515Sun, 28 Jun 2026 08:43:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 07:46:08 GMT]]>@sheddi @nimro @thomasfuchs It’s here: https://projects.propublica.org/why-carbon-capture-cant-solve-climate-change/

The graphs are by ProPublica, the data is from the IEA, and they discuss it properly at the end*

(* the end of one of those irritating weird-to-scroll feature pages, unfortunately)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.si/users/noctuaminervae/statuses/116826621106015070https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.si/users/noctuaminervae/statuses/116826621106015070Sun, 28 Jun 2026 07:46:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 07:23:51 GMT]]>@renardboy @momo @thomasfuchs or two

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/djstreethawk/statuses/116826533471758383https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/djstreethawk/statuses/116826533471758383Sun, 28 Jun 2026 07:23:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 07:22:22 GMT]]>@renardboy @DavidM_yeg @thomasfuchs but they're YOUR children not theirs

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/djstreethawk/statuses/116826527664723749https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/djstreethawk/statuses/116826527664723749Sun, 28 Jun 2026 07:22:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:57:13 GMT]]>@hugo @thomasfuchs

My issue with CC is that it uses these great solutions as an accounting mechanism to shield bad actors. When you rent a wood building/apartment you are increasing demand for a fiat with those intentions. It bastardises any goodwill, further enabling fossil.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.last.nl/users/lil5/statuses/01KW6CVAQPCZQV18R8RRQQ1JC4https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.last.nl/users/lil5/statuses/01KW6CVAQPCZQV18R8RRQQ1JC4Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:57:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:48:29 GMT]]>@connynasch good thing you took the train. Right?

@shadows @liiwi @renardboy @thomasfuchs

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.last.nl/users/lil5/statuses/01KW6CBBJYGEGYHD28KHFME9E8https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.last.nl/users/lil5/statuses/01KW6CBBJYGEGYHD28KHFME9E8Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:48:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 00:28:16 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs the problem with capturing all the atmospheric carbon is that there's an awful lot of carbon that people dug up, so it'll take a lot of effort and *space* to put it back down there again,

https://xkcd.com/2992/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/estelle/statuses/116824899366757905https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/estelle/statuses/116824899366757905Sun, 28 Jun 2026 00:28:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 00:23:59 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs https://werd.social/@ben/116824636385458509

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/HunterZ/statuses/116824882502845810https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/HunterZ/statuses/116824882502845810Sun, 28 Jun 2026 00:23:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 23:05:38 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs carbon capture is supposed to be a post-climate change solution for the future, once the main issues are solved and emission are zero out carbon is taken to produce non oil plastic and revert the emissions of the previous century.
treating it as a solution is like having a broken pipe and trowing sponges at wet floor

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/felipeB/statuses/116824574447503071https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/felipeB/statuses/116824574447503071Sat, 27 Jun 2026 23:05:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:25:23 GMT]]>@angst_ridden @thomasfuchs tbh that could be deployed in areas where for example due to a lack of water afforestation is not possible

after all, photosynthesis, with a net equation of n H2O+n CO2->(CH2O)n+n O2, consumes a tonne and a third of water for each tonne of carbon fixed, plus more that is lost through evapotranspiration

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floofy.tech/users/zuthal/statuses/116823944308950468https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floofy.tech/users/zuthal/statuses/116823944308950468Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:25:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:10:43 GMT]]>@thesquirrelfish @thomasfuchs or the futurama “drop a giant ice cube in the ocean every once in a while” gag

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/cinebox/statuses/116823886635824017https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/cinebox/statuses/116823886635824017Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:10:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:08:53 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs carbon capture brought to you by Intel Itanium

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/cinebox/statuses/116823879397016183https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/cinebox/statuses/116823879397016183Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:08:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:03:41 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs it’s not more important for now, they just produce money which carbon capture does not. Changing to renewables won’t disappear infinite growth needs (capitalism leitmotiv), which is the root of all current problems. Besides to produce solar pannels and wind turbines you need to keep on burning fossil fuels.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/pomubieng/statuses/116823858946394838https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/pomubieng/statuses/116823858946394838Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:03:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:00:53 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs To put the two charts on the same scale: 2,000 terawatt-hours of solar corresponds to around 1,000 megatonnes of avoided CO2 emissions from a fossil fuel-rich electrical grid. More if it's mostly coal.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/silicatefondue/statuses/116823847988607015https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/silicatefondue/statuses/116823847988607015Sat, 27 Jun 2026 20:00:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 19:53:20 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs

No mining or drilling ... no transportation ... no refining ...
no wars ... no Straits to block ... little waste to bury ...

just free energy produced by the nuclear reactor in the sky.
Just grab it and go ...
Well ....... DERP!!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115795242266768404/statuses/116823818262364616https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115795242266768404/statuses/116823818262364616Sat, 27 Jun 2026 19:53:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 19:01:52 GMT]]>@renardboy @thomasfuchs

We can absolutely increase that, VERY meaningfully.

First off, cease to destroy it.

Then, use the amount of resources currently being pissed into atrocities like data centers and war, instead for massive landscape rehabilitation projects. For example:

https://youtu.be/bLdNhZ6kAzo

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/violetmadder/statuses/116823615912091116https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/violetmadder/statuses/116823615912091116Sat, 27 Jun 2026 19:01:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:59:54 GMT]]>@nimro @thomasfuchs
The solar power part looks like the IEA's annually-updated World Energy Outlook projections.

I don't immediately recognise the CCS data but suspect that's from the IEA too; here's a recent report of theirs; compare "announced" to "operational".

https://www.iea.org/reports/ccus

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.party/users/sheddi/statuses/116823372246032599https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.party/users/sheddi/statuses/116823372246032599Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:59:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:57:48 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs
> Actual carbon storage

We used to have a good CO₂ storage in the Amazonian and other old forests. We oughta bring 'em back. And the cheapest CO₂ storage is for CO₂ not produced from the fossil fuels.

As for the chart: it proves CCS is a scam. I'd like to see __actual__ price per metric ton of CO₂ stored, considering taxpayer money put into the "storage facilities".

Diret grants from EU Innovation Fund to CCS rose from €1bn in 2021 to €3bn in 2025. Tax "reliefs" for BigOil "R&D" are magnitude higher.

@ChrisMayLA6

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/115995911458254842/statuses/116823363987884472https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/115995911458254842/statuses/116823363987884472Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:57:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:49:08 GMT]]>@ehproque @thomasfuchs, not so much their plans to emit more as their lack of plans not to punt the problem to whoever's elected next as it's too much of a long-term thing…

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/lp0_on_fire/statuses/116823329927647849https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/lp0_on_fire/statuses/116823329927647849Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:49:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:42:36 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs when people say carbon capture I hear "we'll refreeze the glaciers"

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sfba.social/users/thesquirrelfish/statuses/116823304224518210https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sfba.social/users/thesquirrelfish/statuses/116823304224518210Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:42:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not saying carbon capture will never work, but so far, well… on Sat, 27 Jun 2026 17:36:25 GMT]]>@thomasfuchs 👍

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