<![CDATA[Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002.]]>Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002.

Undeniable arguments, with sources!

> It is our belief that widespread LLM usage comes from the "move fast, and break things" attitude that, while common in many parts of this industry, is contrary to what makes Debian Debian, and is inappropriate for Debian contributors. (1/3)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/066cdcbd-4cda-415c-81a4-56e623c68ece/debian-discussion-to-ban-llm-https-www.debian.org-vote-2026-vote_002.RSS for NodeWed, 29 Jul 2026 00:02:07 GMTSat, 25 Jul 2026 09:42:41 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 21:08:41 GMT]]>@spycrab @simon @hywan Maybe if we started a hashtag campaign...

Users of downstream distros like Ubuntu and Mint can join in.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/Steve/statuses/116982659241047158https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/Steve/statuses/116982659241047158Sat, 25 Jul 2026 21:08:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 20:14:28 GMT]]>@hywan@floss.social hell yeah

time for Debian GNU/kNetBSD (or OpenBSD) so we can have a slop free kernel too

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://not.an.evilcyberhacker.net/notes/ap4dghvnwkzm0424https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://not.an.evilcyberhacker.net/notes/ap4dghvnwkzm0424Sat, 25 Jul 2026 20:14:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:48:51 GMT]]>@hywan Debian has been sensible on lot of topics over years. Nice them being able to formulate why this is just bad, and no, fact that Jonny suddenly can do kernel code is not, in fact, good for long term support of software.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.lv/users/peteriskrisjanis/statuses/116981873469549593https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.lv/users/peteriskrisjanis/statuses/116981873469549593Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:48:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:11:57 GMT]]>@hywan

This + the final statement of proposal A : " Debian is not here to generate as much code as possible requiring manual review by a shrinking number of human volunteers, or to package every piece of software, or to rush new features, but these are what LLMs are used for. " could readily be applied e.g. to scientific research.

"/Universities/ are not here to generate as much /papers/ as possible requiring manual review by a shrinking number of /human researchers/" ...!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://scicomm.xyz/users/jocelyn_etienne/statuses/116981728410780752https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://scicomm.xyz/users/jocelyn_etienne/statuses/116981728410780752Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:11:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:56:37 GMT]]>@hywan May Proposal A win. Proposal B sounds like the usual "AI is a world-destroying, brain-destroying, theft machine but it does have its uses!"

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/distractal/statuses/116981668056823205https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/distractal/statuses/116981668056823205Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:56:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:24:09 GMT]]>@hywan 👏 👏 👏

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/pprem/statuses/116981540447588576https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/pprem/statuses/116981540447588576Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:24:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:04:19 GMT]]>@hywan@floss.social

Not seeing the edit for some reason… using WAFRN so it should support edits….. buh

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bark.wolp.chat/fediverse/post/43d46d53-bd85-4c4d-a124-a5d8b56d498ehttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bark.wolp.chat/fediverse/post/43d46d53-bd85-4c4d-a124-a5d8b56d498eSat, 25 Jul 2026 16:04:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:03:02 GMT]]>@millie I’ve updated the original toot to clarify.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116981457405471008https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116981457405471008Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:03:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:02:15 GMT]]>@millie It’s not banned yet. It’s a discussion about to ban LLM.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116981454332643953https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116981454332643953Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:02:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:50:15 GMT]]>@simon @hywan is there a way for us to contribute to this discussion (or to the vote)?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/spycrab/statuses/116981407145534907https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/spycrab/statuses/116981407145534907Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:50:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:35:48 GMT]]>@hywan@floss.social

This looks to be still in active discussion….. confused

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bark.wolp.chat/fediverse/post/0ddb89d7-eb08-46b0-a605-066046a0d59bhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bark.wolp.chat/fediverse/post/0ddb89d7-eb08-46b0-a605-066046a0d59bSat, 25 Jul 2026 15:35:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:35:37 GMT]]>
CC: @hywan@floss.social
]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://snac.bsd.cafe/kaixin/p/1784990137.968718https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://snac.bsd.cafe/kaixin/p/1784990137.968718Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:35:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:23:44 GMT]]>@simon @hywan When will the vote be held?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/Steve/statuses/116981066934953325https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/Steve/statuses/116981066934953325Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:23:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:20:03 GMT]]>@simon Oh, I thought it was voted. Thanks!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116981052420682873https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116981052420682873Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:20:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 12:19:47 GMT]]>@hywan still "in discussion" though, together with the opposite proposal below

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tutut.delire.party/users/simon/statuses/116980579562891635https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tutut.delire.party/users/simon/statuses/116980579562891635Sat, 25 Jul 2026 12:19:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 09:45:55 GMT]]>@hywan Ooh I might switch to that!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://neuromatch.social/users/elduvelle/statuses/116979974502887699https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://neuromatch.social/users/elduvelle/statuses/116979974502887699Sat, 25 Jul 2026 09:45:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 09:42:41 GMT]]>> LLM output has very unclear legal status: it may be possible to copyright on its own merits, or not; it may be affected by all of the licenses and copyrights in the training data, or not. Debian Policy and the DFSG require absolute clarity for licensing and copyright. Software and other contributions written conventionally by humans with unclear copyright or license status are not allowed in Debian; LLM output should not have a special exception to this… (2/3)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116979961793468880https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116979961793468880Sat, 25 Jul 2026 09:42:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Debian discussion to ban LLM, https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 09:42:41 GMT]]>> LLM companies directly hurt the free software community as whole by scraping the whole web for training data without any regard for license, copyright, or even established conventions such as robots.txt. (3/3)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116979961808912650https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/hywan/statuses/116979961808912650Sat, 25 Jul 2026 09:42:41 GMT