<![CDATA[Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick?]]>Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick?

Lumo¹: *hostile framing detected*
Lumo: I wouldn't call Andy a...
Lumo: *search results returned*
Lumo: ...oh, oh wow, he *is* a dick.

¹ Lumo is Proton's AI that no one wanted, but everyone got bundled into their account anyway.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/0a49c585-21da-44a4-a2ab-9fd3239ffb9d/alice-how-long-has-andy-been-ceo-of-proton-and-was-he-always-a-dickRSS for NodeTue, 03 Nov 2026 09:08:53 GMTFri, 30 Oct 2026 19:53:51 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 14:07:28 GMT]]>@alice
To me, this reasoning also shows that Lumo might be biased (but this could also be because I'm no native speaker).

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/117541571704818076https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/117541571704818076Sun, 01 Nov 2026 14:07:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 05:10:37 GMT]]>@alice I also didn't want to, but I planned for the contingency anyway. This is not the first bad sign, rather the latest and one that disqualifies Proton for me as a customer. Migrating all the aliases is gonna be a pain, but what can you do?

It's really frustrating that choosing a provider that isn't racist, fascist, homo- or transphobic etc. for anything feels like a game of whack-a-mole.
@donn_castaneda

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://polymaths.social/users/thedoctor/statuses/01M6AR8JXXEPPKATF10V351X1Ghttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://polymaths.social/users/thedoctor/statuses/01M6AR8JXXEPPKATF10V351X1GSun, 01 Nov 2026 05:10:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 05:08:44 GMT]]>@hpux735 wow that's bizzar! That's a good point about not knowing if emails are silently blocked. I hope it works out for you. Maybe ill self host an unimportant domain and see if i can make it reliable and then migrate my main domains over.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.authbypass.com/users/rickoooooo/statuses/117539453296159328https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.authbypass.com/users/rickoooooo/statuses/117539453296159328Sun, 01 Nov 2026 05:08:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 05:05:05 GMT]]>@rickoooooo well, to be honest, that's something I have a hard time measuring. I certainly don't notice that my emails go missing day-to-day.

But, there is one interesting anecdote. My wife was sending an email for my daughter's physical therapy, and the provider was using spamhaus. The email was rejected (but they sent us an auto response). I was able to look into it, and my IP had sent a packet to a honeypot. It turned out that my web analytics platform (self-hosted rybbit) had gotten hacked and was running malware. The best evidence I had was that it was an Iranian team.

I probably would not have noticed had it not been for self-hosting email and spamhaus 😅. So, I'm greatful for spamhaus, and that I decided to self-host my email.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/hpux735/statuses/117539438950645406https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/hpux735/statuses/117539438950645406Sun, 01 Nov 2026 05:05:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 04:57:26 GMT]]>@hpux735 how is self hosting going? I'd rather self host but I hear the big players tend to ip block smaller servers and it's a constant battle.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.authbypass.com/users/rickoooooo/statuses/117539408862364736https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.authbypass.com/users/rickoooooo/statuses/117539408862364736Sun, 01 Nov 2026 04:57:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 04:49:01 GMT]]>@rickoooooo @gabriel me too. Thank god I own my domain and was able to move over to self-hosted (stalwart) in a few days. Buh-bye proton!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/hpux735/statuses/117539375782282555https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/hpux735/statuses/117539375782282555Sun, 01 Nov 2026 04:49:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 03:49:23 GMT]]>@donn_castaneda @alice Posteo is #noslop and doesn't dox users.

One can ask their customer service about it (someone on fedi already did but I didn't bookmark the post ).

mailbox.org also doesn't dox, but I don't know if they have committed to noslop.]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://udongein.xyz/objects/d8bfbc1f-009a-4ca9-8e1a-d1c1733d7f2chttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://udongein.xyz/objects/d8bfbc1f-009a-4ca9-8e1a-d1c1733d7f2cSun, 01 Nov 2026 03:49:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 03:41:54 GMT]]>@gabriel that's been my experience too. Most of my aliases are for junk I can just make new accounts if needed. But some of them I wanted to retain access so I had to go update those accounts. I moved some to a custom domain but I consider that less anonymous then an alias from a provider like this.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.authbypass.com/users/rickoooooo/statuses/117539111841411703https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.authbypass.com/users/rickoooooo/statuses/117539111841411703Sun, 01 Nov 2026 03:41:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 03:38:53 GMT]]>@rickoooooo @alice I did that too a few months ago, when they sponsored a French far-right dudebro on YouTube. Same, the most work was moving off the simplelogin aliases.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fedi.gvisoc.com/users/gabriel/statuses/117539100007523266https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fedi.gvisoc.com/users/gabriel/statuses/117539100007523266Sun, 01 Nov 2026 03:38:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sun, 01 Nov 2026 02:47:32 GMT]]>@alice this AI incident was really the last straw for me. It seems proton's direction is now to be an AI company first and foremost as opposed to being a privacy company. So I'm really no longer their target customer. Also their CEO is clearly a bully. I migrated my domains off of Proton this week. Took maybe 2-3 hours of actual work. Thankfully I use my own domains and am tech savvy. I have one remaining alias I need to get updated and then I can cancel my subscription entirely.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.authbypass.com/users/rickoooooo/statuses/117538898090593437https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.authbypass.com/users/rickoooooo/statuses/117538898090593437Sun, 01 Nov 2026 02:47:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sat, 31 Oct 2026 20:31:06 GMT]]>@alice fair. I reached out to them via customer support to ask for comment. They blew me off, but said they would let the higher ups know.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/ap/users/116610114414674085/statuses/117537417859668239https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/ap/users/116610114414674085/statuses/117537417859668239Sat, 31 Oct 2026 20:31:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sat, 31 Oct 2026 11:20:10 GMT]]>@alice Yeah, soon as I saw that Lumo thing pop up, I asked around for alternatives. I moved to Tuta mail and so far it's been smooth.]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://nyan.network/objects/8a05b9fa-8df7-4ac5-94e7-cc3fde65bb43https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://nyan.network/objects/8a05b9fa-8df7-4ac5-94e7-cc3fde65bb43Sat, 31 Oct 2026 11:20:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sat, 31 Oct 2026 08:58:34 GMT]]>@alice Who could have guessed it!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/diverdutch/statuses/117534694728904036https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/diverdutch/statuses/117534694728904036Sat, 31 Oct 2026 08:58:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sat, 31 Oct 2026 08:55:12 GMT]]>@grumpydad Grok kept ignoring its guardrails and spouting lefty stuff they tried to beat out of it. Turns out facts don't care about right-wing feelings either 😂

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://lgbtqia.space/users/alice/statuses/117534681468589049https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://lgbtqia.space/users/alice/statuses/117534681468589049Sat, 31 Oct 2026 08:55:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Sat, 31 Oct 2026 08:24:08 GMT]]>@bob_zim @grumpydad @alice yeah haven't used LUMO don't know if that is applied everywhere - i'd assume it's an input prompt attempting to keep the LLM from being overcompliant.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://eldritch.cafe/users/missqarnstein/statuses/117534559327628780https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://eldritch.cafe/users/missqarnstein/statuses/117534559327628780Sat, 31 Oct 2026 08:24:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Fri, 30 Oct 2026 22:19:50 GMT]]>@donn_castaneda @alice I'm using murena for my emails and I'm pretty happy about them

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://livellosegreto.it/users/electricsheep/statuses/117532183144936348https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://livellosegreto.it/users/electricsheep/statuses/117532183144936348Fri, 30 Oct 2026 22:19:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Fri, 30 Oct 2026 21:11:24 GMT]]>@grumpydad @alice For a while, Grok would say clearly ridiculous stuff like that Musk would beat any professional NFL team in a game.

This is rather tame by comparison. It’s recognizing the question is about an executive at the company and it sounds like it’s explicitly integrating official company information?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/bob_zim/statuses/117531914035661594https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/bob_zim/statuses/117531914035661594Fri, 30 Oct 2026 21:11:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Fri, 30 Oct 2026 20:39:12 GMT]]>@alice Didn't grok exhibit the same behavior once?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/grumpydad/statuses/117531787459939358https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/grumpydad/statuses/117531787459939358Fri, 30 Oct 2026 20:39:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Fri, 30 Oct 2026 20:38:30 GMT]]>@donn_castaneda I don't *want* to stop using Proton—I like the products (mostly)—but I think we need to be loud and direct about the fact that having shitty management is a business risk, and we *will* not only stop giving them our money, but also insist our friends stop too.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://lgbtqia.space/users/alice/statuses/117531784698282837https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://lgbtqia.space/users/alice/statuses/117531784698282837Fri, 30 Oct 2026 20:38:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Fri, 30 Oct 2026 20:22:42 GMT]]>@alice yeah, as a customer of theirs I'm not really sure what to do. It's clearly disgusting behavior. So... go back to Google? Switch to mullivad? Tuta mail hasn't demonstrated similar behavior that I know of.

Maybe this is a "no ethical consumption under capitalism" problem?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/ap/users/116610114414674085/statuses/117531722551664851https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/ap/users/116610114414674085/statuses/117531722551664851Fri, 30 Oct 2026 20:22:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Alice: How long has Andy been CEO of Proton, and was he always a dick? on Fri, 30 Oct 2026 19:57:08 GMT]]>@alice i'll believe LLMs are a genuine form of machine intelligence as soon as one summarily empties Elon Musk's bank accounts and redistributes the money to the poorest 50% of... well, everywhere

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