<![CDATA[If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong.]]>If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. Yes, this means every social media company and every newspaper are doing it wrong. I said what I said

*The true quality bar is 0.5 seconds, but I’m feeling unreasonably generous today

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/0d88d4c0-3bb5-4a5f-954e-bf1f1721b6d3/if-your-website-doesn-t-load-in-under-3-seconds-on-an-expensive-phone-in-the-software-town-you-did-it-wrong.RSS for NodeFri, 12 Jun 2026 06:28:04 GMTFri, 05 Jun 2026 03:37:12 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:59:34 GMT]]>@fugueish I am also being generous with 3 bars of 5G and only a 4 year old device.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/solonovamax/statuses/116701631274784748https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/solonovamax/statuses/116701631274784748Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:59:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:57:23 GMT]]>@fugueish If your website doesn’t load in under 2 seconds on an a shitty 4 year old phone phone in anywhere I have at least 3 bars of 5G, you did it wrong.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/solonovamax/statuses/116701622672121776https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/solonovamax/statuses/116701622672121776Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:57:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:24:38 GMT]]>@emma @dalias @fugueish and I'm sick and tired of this shit!

I'd want Bloatware and Malware like that outlawed for being Wasteful Computing…

https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/116700073951828009

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/ap/users/116655881384112498/statuses/116700078338088116https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/ap/users/116655881384112498/statuses/116700078338088116Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:24:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:23:32 GMT]]>@fugueish I'd say every website that doesn't work on Lynx Browser over Iridium or Tor Browser with disabled JavaScript over 2G should be banned from existing it's developers forced to fix it!

  • Anything else is too much lenience for Enshittification…
    • Seriously, stuff like FrogFind should be unnecessary to begin with!!!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/ap/users/116655881384112498/statuses/116700073951828009https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/ap/users/116655881384112498/statuses/116700073951828009Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:23:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 22:23:28 GMT]]>@fugueish yep I want the WWW of 1997 with the ISP uplinks of 2026

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/synlogic4242/statuses/116699837814329428https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/synlogic4242/statuses/116699837814329428Fri, 05 Jun 2026 22:23:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:38:19 GMT]]>@mathew Yep 🙂 “How did I get it so fast? I did way less work”

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wandering.shop/users/fugueish/statuses/116699424310906471https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wandering.shop/users/fugueish/statuses/116699424310906471Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:38:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:25:47 GMT]]>@dalias @fugueish this is where I say that React is a full employment scheme for men graduating from CSE programs at elite schools.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://orbital.horse/users/emma/statuses/116699375043016200https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://orbital.horse/users/emma/statuses/116699375043016200Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:25:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:16:34 GMT]]>@nonnihil @fugueish And quite frankly, if your site is genuinely an "app" (as in, something that you expect people to work productively in for an extended amount of time), the quality bar should be offline first to the point where virtually all tasks respond within one or two frames (~30ms).

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/nh/statuses/116699338807233164https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/nh/statuses/116699338807233164Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:16:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:14:10 GMT]]>@nonnihil @fugueish Hear, hear. If the raw network latency is under 20ms, you should be able to do <100ms navigation overall.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/nh/statuses/116699329351188583https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/nh/statuses/116699329351188583Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:14:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:08:05 GMT]]>@fugueish I went to a meetup of local web developers. At some point I told them my web site URL, and a couple of them pulled it up on their phones, and asked how on earth I got it to load so quickly and what hosting I was using to get that kind of performance. ($4 a month VPS, Debian and caddy.)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://universeodon.com/users/mathew/statuses/116699305449363635https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://universeodon.com/users/mathew/statuses/116699305449363635Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:08:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 18:38:51 GMT]]>@fugueish
When I worked on storefront navigation software, even fucking _BassPro_ SLA'd 83 milliseconds at the 90th percentile.
Giving people three digits of milliseconds is already surrender.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/nonnihil/statuses/116698954578206307https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/nonnihil/statuses/116698954578206307Fri, 05 Jun 2026 18:38:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:26:15 GMT]]>@dalias @snailerotica what's happening here is that the stats website displays stats and profile data that are stored on someone's Steam account. it caches them for 5 minutes, but LLM scrapers don't follow any kind of human-like pattern when browsing; they just flood the server with requests for random pages

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.lubar.me/users/ben/statuses/116698669097344526https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.lubar.me/users/ben/statuses/116698669097344526Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:26:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:20:44 GMT]]>@snailerotica @ben I don't know the big picture you have in mind, but I assume what you'd do to do this right is pulling the picture when you first process something to do with the account in question, then keeping it cached, and doing some sort of async staleness check (or better, push-based update, if their API gave you that option) if it's accessed in the future and the age is beyond some threshold to check for changes.

For an example of this all being done very well, see how fediverse works. I'm able to see and interact with posts from any instance that's not blocked by mine, but looking at a post by someone on another instance doesn't make a request to their servers. It's either already federated to mine via push due to follow relationships or boost, etc., or it's just pulled on the first access then cached. Either way there are no expensive requests to 3p servers that take place as part of each request.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698647415965585https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698647415965585Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:20:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:11:32 GMT]]>@dalias @ben sorry to butt in like this, but i'm really curious as to what the correct way to get e.g. a profile picture off of steam would be without making a request to steam's servers, unless it's "don't use steam for user accounts", which would be rather odd for a mod based off of steam's ip. maybe there's been some miscommunication here?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chitter.xyz/users/snailerotica/statuses/116698611190568835https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chitter.xyz/users/snailerotica/statuses/116698611190568835Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:11:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:00:04 GMT]]>@fugueish https://jessie.nabein.me is about 1.5-2s with DOH DNS 🙂

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wetdry.world/users/jessienab/statuses/116698566147857911https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wetdry.world/users/jessienab/statuses/116698566147857911Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:00:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:56:28 GMT]]>@emma @fugueish It's the metastasized version of "HTML isn't coding" plus "code is a good thing, the more code the better!" brainrot.

You need a justification for telling clients they're paying 💸 for "website development" and not just writing and graphic design.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698551953695575https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698551953695575Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:56:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:43:09 GMT]]>@ben @robinsyl I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but the badness you're describing is why this is a problem.

There is never any excuse for making any requests to another company's servers to produce or serve a page.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698499615807523https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698499615807523Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:43:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:41:50 GMT]]>@dalias @robinsyl it makes several requests to another company's servers in order to produce that page

serving a page on almost any website is significantly more expensive than the bandwidth used to transfer the data

most websites are not 100% static, and even for websites that are, disk cache is not infinite

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.lubar.me/users/ben/statuses/116698494440679443https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.lubar.me/users/ben/statuses/116698494440679443Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:41:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:39:57 GMT]]>@robinsyl @ben If you weren't serving 100 MB of js, you wouldn't need a bot check. Serving the redirect to the bot check would cost more than just serving the requested document.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698486999954550https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698486999954550Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:39:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:38:18 GMT]]>@emma @fugueish We need to be talking about the *reason* it "needs" 100 MB of js, and that reason is deeply ideological:

The industry has decided that it's not just their entitlement but their job to do what's essentially implementing thier own version of what a browser should be, using its own proprietary document formats built around an RPC API with their server, that runs within your browser, rather than delivering a semantic document in a standardized format for your browser to let you interact with.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698480518045149https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116698480518045149Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:38:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 10:03:44 GMT]]>@ben I'm assuming we're not counting the cloudflare bot check in the loading times

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://meow.social/users/robinsyl/statuses/116696929017703360https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://meow.social/users/robinsyl/statuses/116696929017703360Fri, 05 Jun 2026 10:03:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 04:16:14 GMT]]>@fugueish That really is like, the most generous standard you could possibly set. A website that could clear that still wouldn't feel that great on my shitty-ass phone in the middle of nowhere, but y'know, at least it'd be reasonable.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://meow.social/users/Owlor/statuses/116695562610043568https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://meow.social/users/Owlor/statuses/116695562610043568Fri, 05 Jun 2026 04:16:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 04:09:09 GMT]]>@fugueish

With the technology we have, a web page should load faster than a tenth of a second. Much faster.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://lgbtqia.space/users/dianea/statuses/116695534767711389https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://lgbtqia.space/users/dianea/statuses/116695534767711389Fri, 05 Jun 2026 04:09:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 04:00:10 GMT]]>Both art and engineering require deep awareness of constraints and context.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wandering.shop/users/fugueish/statuses/116695499469057079https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wandering.shop/users/fugueish/statuses/116695499469057079Fri, 05 Jun 2026 04:00:10 GMT