<![CDATA[This is the future those who push for age verification want for us.]]>RE: https://post.lurk.org/@shibacomputer/116827981116605348

This is the future those who push for age verification want for us.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/147b75ca-8846-4533-8eec-f8387b22038a/this-is-the-future-those-who-push-for-age-verification-want-for-us.RSS for NodeMon, 29 Jun 2026 01:34:41 GMTSun, 28 Jun 2026 14:32:59 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:24:26 GMT]]>@BauarbeiterforFuture @babe @Gargron Online Safety Act 2023 - it’s the UK law that among other things requires “robust age verification” for access to various adult content and is responsible for people in the UK needing to hand over ID to shady third parties in order to access perfectly legal content, not to mention causing a load of sites to now geo-block the UK entirely as a result of this nonsense.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.spheron.one/users/edward/statuses/116828895079255613https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.spheron.one/users/edward/statuses/116828895079255613Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:24:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:22:17 GMT]]>@harib_murshidi @mischi2000 @Gargron

>Well, I don't understand it... you are saying that is that a good thing or a bad thing

It's either or, depending on do you see yourself as making money, or as someone to be made money out of.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/iju/statuses/116828886597629227https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/iju/statuses/116828886597629227Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:22:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:18:38 GMT]]>@Asimech @mischi2000 @Gargron

When did I say that 'public schools teaching critical thinking skills' make for a nanny state ?! 😐

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/harib_murshidi/statuses/116828872261452786https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/harib_murshidi/statuses/116828872261452786Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:18:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:12:21 GMT]]>@harib_murshidi @mischi2000 @Gargron Public schools teaching critical thinking skills makes for a "nanny state"?

For someone with a hammer and sickle symbol in their name that's quite the libertarian take.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Asimech/statuses/116828847547731686https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Asimech/statuses/116828847547731686Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:12:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:07:30 GMT]]>@solitha

No argument from me. I only think given the societal affinity to proactively address problems like this (or even retroactively for that matter), I'm pretty sure this is how this will go. At least for a while.

@Gargron

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/ap/users/115708188881910739/statuses/116828828485748316https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/ap/users/115708188881910739/statuses/116828828485748316Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:07:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:00:43 GMT]]>@iju @mischi2000 @Gargron

Well, I don't understand it... you are saying that is that a good thing or a bad thing, I certainly don't want anybody to track my habits and have no interest in getting any 'localised' ads ! 😐

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/harib_murshidi/statuses/116828801793947874https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/harib_murshidi/statuses/116828801793947874Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:00:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:54:59 GMT]]>@iju @mischi2000 @Gargron

Witch huntings were happening in as well during the 'English Civil War' especially when Matthew Hopkins (The Witchfynder General) was operating around !

I am not an American but as an observer from a far away continent, Americans are very 'OK' with violence, blood and gore but very queasy about nudity and anything which implies nudity or any kind of saxuality ! It's the other way around in
somewhat

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/harib_murshidi/statuses/116828779299813781https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/harib_murshidi/statuses/116828779299813781Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:54:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:54:39 GMT]]>@Gargron the only winning move is to REFUSE TO COMPLY!

https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/116827121953256096

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116828777996133554https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116828777996133554Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:54:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:54:12 GMT]]>@Gargron Also, it seems a lot of the companies that do age verification train AI on the data. I do not understand why the UK thinks it's acceptable to ship people's data over to some fly by night US startup who will try to make money off your data.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/fds/statuses/116828776232124770https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/fds/statuses/116828776232124770Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:54:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:53:39 GMT]]>@babe

> There's no real regulation of the companies who are providing age verification services.

This is by design. The "mind kids" is just a smoke screen to gather enough data on the population to let physical bots deal with a precrime of dissent.

bro do like sci-fi, they just do not like the endings of books and movies depicting how they had lost. So now are eager to not make mistakes the sci-fi villains did to their demise.


@Gargron

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/115995911458254842/statuses/116828774062338885https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/115995911458254842/statuses/116828774062338885Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:53:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:53:02 GMT]]>@Gargron If they need to do age verification, I can't see why it cannot be something similar to iPhones storing your passport (or driving license and even other IDs) and the device basically gives a thumbs up to the person being old enough.

Could Apple or Google be hacked or if it's stored locally, is there a chance of it being stolen? Yes, but minimizing the spread of the information helps reduce the risk.

Especially since we won't hold companies liable for bad security practices.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/fds/statuses/116828771583236509https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/fds/statuses/116828771583236509Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:53:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:52:32 GMT]]>@harib_murshidi@mastodon.social
There are all sorts of fake profiles, ranging from fake profiles to outright impersonations.

All I can tell you is that it cost my parents tens of thousands of euros in court and legal fees to have a profile deleted on meta-platforms that impersonated me in the worst possible way.

I was 13 years old at the time and suddenly exposed to things I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

I don't want to say any more about it now.
@Gargron@mastodon.social

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.inselleben.chat/notes/ao1lct9wfxhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.inselleben.chat/notes/ao1lct9wfxSun, 28 Jun 2026 16:52:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:51:08 GMT]]>@iju @mischi2000 @Gargron Nannies are a good thing ?! Maybe in your culture perhaps, and in the US there were 'Senate Hearings' over the 'lyrics of music' , Dee Snider of the Heavy Metal band 'Twisted Sister' attended them as well as 'Frank Zappa' and at that point both the Republicans and Democrats were on the same page over that (Al Gore was part of the hearings and his wife back then Tipper Gore was a founder of PMRC)

PMRC gave us this !

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/harib_murshidi/statuses/116828764137172310https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/harib_murshidi/statuses/116828764137172310Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:51:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:50:10 GMT]]>@babe @Gargron what is OSA?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/BauarbeiterforFuture/statuses/116828760314933342https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/BauarbeiterforFuture/statuses/116828760314933342Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:50:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:48:48 GMT]]>@harib_murshidi @mischi2000 @Gargron

>What exactly is a 'fake profile' ? When the internet was introduced [- -] it was specifically considered the most important rule that you should not divulge any real information ..

Yeah, and the dotcom-crash was caused in large part by the inability for advertisers to target who was seeing the ads.

So the web2.0 got advertisements tied to profiles that were linked if not to ID, then at least to a large dossier of likes, dislikes, and spending habits.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/iju/statuses/116828754938259817https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/iju/statuses/116828754938259817Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:48:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:46:46 GMT]]>@Gargron "Leak" is a strange way to say "Sold by Elon"

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/bebadefabo/statuses/116828746954439668https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/bebadefabo/statuses/116828746954439668Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:46:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:45:26 GMT]]>@harib_murshidi @mischi2000 @Gargron

IMHO USA is a bad example on social panics, seeing as that's the local culture going all the way back to the literal witch hunts.

As such it's not really the state/federation doing the hunts, they're just reflecting societal customs instead of rising above them (which was Hegel's idea, iirc).

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/iju/statuses/116828741737038250https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/iju/statuses/116828741737038250Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:45:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:42:51 GMT]]>@harib_murshidi @mischi2000 @Gargron

The discussion should school transfer customs in addition to knowledge is a long one, but I believe philosophers in general are for it? At least in the hegelian tradition.

Admittedly the relationship between school (which is often an indoctination tool of the state) and parents/village is a tricky one. Still can't be sidelined with just generic reference to "nanny states". Particularly as nannies are a good thing, right?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/iju/statuses/116828731583316042https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/iju/statuses/116828731583316042Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:42:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:38:25 GMT]]>@theeclecticdyslexic I thought about that, but... that's a process.

You'd have to prove you're you to the government again to deprecate your old ID and receive a new one.

Then you'd have to update every institution using the deprecated ID. And then they can oopsie leak it again.

@Gargron

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/solitha/statuses/116828714131867227https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/solitha/statuses/116828714131867227Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:38:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:33:32 GMT]]>@kainisenni @yivi_privacybydesign @Gargron Yes, yivi. In Denmark, the app is prepared for buying alcohol, tobacco and such, and can display a QR code (confirming that you are old enough) that can be scanned in stores, for example. I havent tried to use it yet, it will take some time I believe 🙂

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://expressional.social/users/anderslund/statuses/116828694916957368https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://expressional.social/users/anderslund/statuses/116828694916957368Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:33:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:30:53 GMT]]>@anderslund
In NL we have @yivi_privacybydesign, which is even on F-Droid. I've yet to encounter something that uses it (so it's not on my phone anymore), but I'm happy we have something decent ready in case age verification becomes mandatory.
@Gargron

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://vocalounge.cafe/users/kainisenni/statuses/116828684522840771https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://vocalounge.cafe/users/kainisenni/statuses/116828684522840771Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:30:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:29:13 GMT]]>@solitha @Gargron I think it'll be a game of whack-a-mole, at least for a while. Every time an ID becomes worthless, create a new one.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/ap/users/115708188881910739/statuses/116828677979228474https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/ap/users/115708188881910739/statuses/116828677979228474Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:29:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:18:00 GMT]]>@Gargron anything included in a database gets leaked eventually because it cannot be adequately secured.

The old paper system was fairly secure. The occasional fire would destroy data but, at least it wouldn't leak it.

It was not impossible to access private personal data maliciously but, it was far more time consuming.

What is left after all identifying information is leaked? It's no longer viable for identification...

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/NathanMurdock/statuses/116828633834301489https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/NathanMurdock/statuses/116828633834301489Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:18:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is the future those who push for age verification want for us. on Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:13:55 GMT]]>@mischi2000 @Gargron

What exactly is a 'fake profile' ? When the internet was introduced to kids earlier on, it was specifically considered the most important rule that you should not divulge any real information and put anything like that on the internet and now we are going into the opposite direction !

And if somebody does harass someone at some social media network, they are responsible... even at this place some creep can creep in and try to doxxx or blackmail someone, i

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