<![CDATA[Good morning Mastodon!]]>Good morning Mastodon! Remember when you were in primary school and went on school trips to places teachers though were important or free, and retained nothing from them except for who was sick on whom on the way there? Now you're older and nerdier did you ever think "Actually it might be really interesting to visit a major piece of civic infrastructure and learn how it works?" Just me? Well I was in luck today because the University sustainability team has organised a tour of Energy Recovery Facility in , where all our non-recyclable rubbish ends up.

https://www.viridor.co.uk/energy/energy-recovery-facilities/exeter-erf/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/16f0c045-559e-4c70-894e-4b07be732aa9/good-morning-mastodonRSS for NodeMon, 15 Jun 2026 17:48:04 GMTThu, 11 Jun 2026 08:27:30 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:10:15 GMT]]>@quixoticgeek @afewbugs @idlestate Cool idea!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/CiaraNi/statuses/116748859171716055https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/CiaraNi/statuses/116748859171716055Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:10:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:07:17 GMT]]>@selgart @afewbugs Oh dear, that sounds both inefficient for people to use and pollutant for the planet.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/CiaraNi/statuses/116748847506118634https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/CiaraNi/statuses/116748847506118634Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:07:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:24:14 GMT]]>@idlestate @afewbugs @quixoticgeek @CiaraNi it was straight to landfill, now it's c&d and ashfill

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://indieweb.social/users/akamran/statuses/116748678203976667https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://indieweb.social/users/akamran/statuses/116748678203976667Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:24:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:18:52 GMT]]>@afewbugs@social.coop if one has a belt sander or some coarse-grit wet&dry paper, it’s worth safely abrading the sex toy creatively before discarding in the transparent battery bin, so that when people see it they think no wonder the owner wore it out, look at the vaginal teeth marks on it!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.pikopublish.ing/notes/anhdk3cl5e3h1gcphttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.pikopublish.ing/notes/anhdk3cl5e3h1gcpSun, 14 Jun 2026 13:18:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:14:03 GMT]]>@quixoticgeek
@afewbugs @CiaraNi

This is just one of several nearby trash mountains.

the name alone underscores @akamran's point about dispossession and exploitation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Meadows_Landfill

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/116748638193349507https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/116748638193349507Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:14:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:13:20 GMT]]>@CiaraNi @afewbugs I’m in New York City and we’re now told to put single-use alkaline batteries in the regular trash, with (only) the largest ones taped up to prevent contact. I vaguely recall that’s a recent-ish thing though as that used to not be the case. For non-alkalines there are drop-offs and occasional “disposal events.” Also, you can theoretically bring them to any store that sells them. In theory.

https://www.nyc.gov/site/dsny/collection/get-rid-of/batteries.page

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://vmst.io/users/selgart/statuses/116748635362506178https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://vmst.io/users/selgart/statuses/116748635362506178Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:13:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:09:19 GMT]]>@quixoticgeek
@afewbugs @akamran @CiaraNi

I don't doubt it.

Speaking of "environmental rules" and given the importance of doing it well, I'd have trouble enthusing about anything approved in the US right now.

the whole problem space is one of finding reachable, less-bad paths and figuring out how to get on them

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/116748619555290449https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/116748619555290449Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:09:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:01:36 GMT]]>@idlestate @afewbugs @akamran @CiaraNi also. There's a lot of difference between waste to energy plants built in Europe in the last ten years or so (most European plants are relatively recent builds). And something older built without modern European environmental rules.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.v.st/users/quixoticgeek/statuses/116748589211771899https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.v.st/users/quixoticgeek/statuses/116748589211771899Sun, 14 Jun 2026 13:01:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 12:55:07 GMT]]>@afewbugs
@akamran @quixoticgeek @CiaraNi

From what I can tell that article describes straight-to-landfill disposal, not incinerator ash disposal.

one of the things pyrolysis or incineration done sufficiently well accomplishes is turning all the PFAS into carbon dioxide (or hydrocarbons) and inorganic, mineral-like fluorides

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/116748563734907333https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/116748563734907333Sun, 14 Jun 2026 12:55:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 12:11:45 GMT]]>@akamran @quixoticgeek @idlestate @CiaraNi I suspect this may be a difference in European vs US regulation standards. The bottom ash from UK incinerators is turned into construction materials https://www.ecoblend.co.uk/ I'm not saying it produces no waste that needs disposing of or no air pollution, but landfilling unincinerated rubbish would produce more of both. As I say this isn't a perfect solution, and ideally we would be producing significantly less waste as a society instead of trying to find the least bad way to dispose of it. But in the UK at least I do think this is the most sustainable way to do that

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/afewbugs/statuses/116748393193727565https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/afewbugs/statuses/116748393193727565Sun, 14 Jun 2026 12:11:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 12:04:43 GMT]]>@afewbugs @quixoticgeek @idlestate @CiaraNi no it's not less toxic, the aggregate is unstable and of dubious quality and toxicity, and will contaminate both water and air. This landfill/ashfill does all of the above. It was started before I was in kindergarten and is still going strong and it's less than 5 miles from me https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/crowd-shouts-shame-as-new-york-town-unveils-plan-for-landfill-s-forever-chemical-plume/ar-AA255nGE Everything we warned them would happen in the 1970s happened.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://indieweb.social/users/akamran/statuses/116748365580425798https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://indieweb.social/users/akamran/statuses/116748365580425798Sun, 14 Jun 2026 12:04:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:57:43 GMT]]>@akamran @quixoticgeek @idlestate @CiaraNi the ash is at least significantly reduced in volume and less toxic than the crude waste through, and can be used as building aggregate (I know the buildings themselves will eventually be demolished and the material have to go somewhere). I would much rather live next to a waste to energy plant than a landfill, even a closed one

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/afewbugs/statuses/116748338045632444https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/afewbugs/statuses/116748338045632444Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:57:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:56:55 GMT]]>@afewbugs Yeah it seems to me that any shop accepting lithium batteries should really have a fireproof bin to put them in.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/kbm0/statuses/116748334921511294https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/kbm0/statuses/116748334921511294Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:56:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:54:53 GMT]]>@kbm0 they should be doing this, but the shop owners with the bins may not know . I supplemented that post with a bit of background knowledge not from the tour because an ex of mine did a lot of research on battery recycling as part of her PhD, but if you're a podcast person Talking Rubbish also did a good episode in battery fires and battery recycling https://pca.st/episode/d9092c8f-dcbf-46d3-8145-02652b096b07

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/afewbugs/statuses/116748326891748997https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/afewbugs/statuses/116748326891748997Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:54:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:50:13 GMT]]>@quixoticgeek @afewbugs @idlestate @CiaraNi it's going to a landfill anyway - where do you think the ash gets dumped? Another poor, black and brown neighborhood.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://indieweb.social/users/akamran/statuses/116748308555896649https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://indieweb.social/users/akamran/statuses/116748308555896649Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:50:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:47:49 GMT]]>@afewbugs @idlestate @CiaraNi
Video about the Copenhagen plant.
https://youtu.be/21ijLduW0nw

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.v.st/users/quixoticgeek/statuses/116748299081694950https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.v.st/users/quixoticgeek/statuses/116748299081694950Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:47:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:46:13 GMT]]>@afewbugs @idlestate @CiaraNi and if they are going to do it, they should at least make it into something like copenhill in Copenhagen...

Also it should be used for district heating. My apartment is heated by heat from a waste to energy facility.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.v.st/users/quixoticgeek/statuses/116748292797955203https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.v.st/users/quixoticgeek/statuses/116748292797955203Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:46:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:45:09 GMT]]>@afewbugs I've had trouble getting clarification on whether the shops that offer battery recycling will accept lithium ion batteries, or devices containing them, at all. In my local authority area (Gateshead), the only approved way of disposing of such batteries seems to be to take them to one of the council household waste and recycling centres, which unfortunately requires you to have a vehicle and book in advance. Yes it's ridiculous.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/kbm0/statuses/116748288634792062https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/kbm0/statuses/116748288634792062Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:45:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:44:08 GMT]]>@idlestate @CiaraNi yes I wish waste to energy plants didn't only get built in the poorest neighborhoods, and they do pump out some air pollution and a lot of greenhouse gases, but if the waste is there anyway it has to go somewhere and they're exponentially better than landfill

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/afewbugs/statuses/116748284632003117https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/afewbugs/statuses/116748284632003117Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:44:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:27:44 GMT]]>@afewbugs
@CiaraNi

NY state nominally does

I don't know all the ins-and-outs, but the law around e-waste came into effect when I was doing IT work

There are separate collection points for battteries and for old laptops at our regional waste transfer station.

I wish we did more waste to energy incineration. Even more, I wish pyrolytic waste-to-fuel weren't caught in the trap between the "not good enough" for purists who don't recognize how bad the status quo is, on the one hand, and "too woke" or something by people OK with building trash mountains in our otherwise beautiful countryside.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/116748220121922162https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/116748220121922162Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:27:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:18:43 GMT]]>@quietewe @afewbugs Let's hope it becomes standard in all States (and places and countries).

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/CiaraNi/statuses/116748184664588761https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/CiaraNi/statuses/116748184664588761Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:18:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:17:45 GMT]]>@afewbugs It is wild indeed. I coincidentally saw this fact mentioned in a different context and thread in here (Mastodon) a few weeks ago. I hadn't spotted it in the replies in this thread - sorry for repeating it at you here!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/CiaraNi/statuses/116748180892268458https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/CiaraNi/statuses/116748180892268458Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:17:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:14:20 GMT]]>@BackFromTheDud @afewbugs Oh, for sure. I have a soft spot for the show, not least because it gave us Avon's premiership league snark (a girlfriend was _really_ into Paul Darrow).

Years later I played a gig with Josette Simon (Dayna) who is not only lovely, but also an incredible jazz singer.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/headfirstonly/statuses/116748167459030425https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/headfirstonly/statuses/116748167459030425Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:14:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Good morning Mastodon! on Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:12:22 GMT]]>@afewbugs @CiaraNi we have it in California! I never considered whether it’s national though, in hindsight I’m not surprised for some states

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://urbanists.social/users/quietewe/statuses/116748159717346828https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://urbanists.social/users/quietewe/statuses/116748159717346828Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:12:22 GMT