<![CDATA[There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now:]]>There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now:

1. Becoming delusional about themselves and the world as a result of being glazed nonstop by the friend in their computer, thinking they’re inventing new physics, discovering mystical secrets, etc. and becoming manic.

2. Becoming delusional about what LLMs are capable of and how effective they are, as a result of developing a reliance upon them, and becoming fanatical in their promotion and defense.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/1ad98042-3f42-4718-9a2a-0c771e46ca62/there-seem-to-be-two-distinct-kinds-of-chatbot-psychosis-happening-right-nowRSS for NodeMon, 06 Apr 2026 04:21:56 GMTSun, 15 Mar 2026 02:09:06 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 17:27:38 GMT]]>@eschaton Yeah—but I don't really think the analogy of "psychosis" works for the latter term. Delusion, sure.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/nielsa/statuses/116234365090871242https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/nielsa/statuses/116234365090871242Sun, 15 Mar 2026 17:27:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 16:59:48 GMT]]>@eschaton

Suddenly, I think of Lindsey Graham raging during the US Senate hearing for the drunk rapist Supreme Court nominee, Kavanaugh!

Performative rage. Performative outrage.

Seems like a generalized tell, for detecting narrative warfare actors. Always dialling it to 11...

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toad.social/users/murodegrizeco/statuses/116234255635659893https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toad.social/users/murodegrizeco/statuses/116234255635659893Sun, 15 Mar 2026 16:59:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 15:26:12 GMT]]>@michaelgemar@mstdn.ca For what it's worth, the majority of layoffs have been done for conventional economic reasons, or because companies (esp. tech companies) overhired near the beginning of the COVID pandemic. They are using AI as an excuse, hoping AI psychosis will distract from the otherwise-obvious conclusion that they made poor management decisions. @eschaton@mastodon.social
]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1773588372.035839https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1773588372.035839Sun, 15 Mar 2026 15:26:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 15:24:15 GMT]]>@eschaton@mastodon.social @michaelgemar@mstdn.ca I think the anger response is at least partly explainable by this: https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1773412163.748396

The CEO response may be totally explained by that...
]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1773588255.810569https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1773588255.810569Sun, 15 Mar 2026 15:24:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 14:52:09 GMT]]>@__d @paul @eschaton I also often use this "LLM as a person" way of looking at it, especially in academic settings when I try to explain plagiarism. As long as it is only used as one tool for explanation, and not the only one, I find that it works quite well.

Some people don't even seem to understand that having someone else write it for you is plagiarism, though.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/ahltorp/statuses/116233753708551550https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/ahltorp/statuses/116233753708551550Sun, 15 Mar 2026 14:52:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 12:48:33 GMT]]>@eschaton “you’re a stupid poo-poo head…Poo-poo Head 😝

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.europlus.zone/users/europlus/statuses/116233267690310574https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.europlus.zone/users/europlus/statuses/116233267690310574Sun, 15 Mar 2026 12:48:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 11:55:32 GMT]]>@paul @eschaton I like to imagine that instead of the LLM behind the prompt, there’s a person. Instead of paying Anthropic/whoever, I’m paying a human. All the generated code is written by the hidden person. All those constant values replaced by defines were written by the person behind the interface.

Now, do I consider the result to be 100% my own work? I find that I cannot.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/__d/statuses/116233059208869342https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/__d/statuses/116233059208869342Sun, 15 Mar 2026 11:55:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:42:04 GMT]]>@eschaton which does "I have nobody to talk to but the ai" fit into?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/RueNahcMohr/statuses/116232770337158780https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/RueNahcMohr/statuses/116232770337158780Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:42:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:31:14 GMT]]>@eschaton amen. Relatedly: https://narrativ.es/@janl/114566975034056419

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://narrativ.es/users/janl/statuses/116232491791623599https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://narrativ.es/users/janl/statuses/116232491791623599Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:31:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:59:22 GMT]]>@michaelgemar @eschaton

That's almost a combination of Type 1 and Type 2, in that both together can lead to unrealistic and delusional levels of belief on how effective LLM model output can be 🙂

Type 12 (combined psychosis) or Type 3? 🙂🤷‍♂️

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/simonzerafa/statuses/116232130564142194https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/simonzerafa/statuses/116232130564142194Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:59:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:43:52 GMT]]>@eschaton

I boosted a post because this all can be explained as "the psychic's con"

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/bitsavers/statuses/116232069591515141https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/bitsavers/statuses/116232069591515141Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:43:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:05:23 GMT]]>I think you misinterpret me. But thanks for the explanation, never could have imagined that myself.
@arroz

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116231918310967753https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116231918310967753Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:05:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:03:50 GMT]]>Some prints and some jewelry are reproductions. Others have been designed to be reproduced - the medium being part of the piece.

It's easy to agree that slop at the scale of McDonalds isn't equivalent to a lovingly crafted original, not so easy to set a bright line behind which everything is different.
@colincornaby @eschaton

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116231912181313114https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116231912181313114Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:03:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 06:43:24 GMT]]>@osma @colincornaby @eschaton I think you’re mixing tools and content. A painting is not done “by hand”. Painters use tools, like brushes and many other objects. That’s one thing. The other thing is asking a machine “create an image of a sunset over the ocean seen from a cliff, with a beach in the frame, in cubist style” and simply accepting what it spits out as art, and worse, as *their* art. They didn’t create it, they ordered a machine to create it (by plagiarism, usually).

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/arroz/statuses/116231831853992254https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/arroz/statuses/116231831853992254Sun, 15 Mar 2026 06:43:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 06:33:01 GMT]]>@osma @eschaton I think it depends. I don't have the same relationship with prints - but I also own some because they're reproductions of the original artwork. I would assume the same is true of jewelry.

I think even if you wanted to call AI art "art" it doesn't require the same emotional connection or recognition. In the same way that someone who brings home McDonalds for dinner doesn't need to be treated as if they cooked the meal.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/colincornaby/statuses/116231791030002416https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/colincornaby/statuses/116231791030002416Sun, 15 Mar 2026 06:33:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 06:29:20 GMT]]>Can it be art if it's not made by hand? Lots of examples come to mind. Jewelry may be reproduced by casting. Prints are, well, prints. Architecture is manufactured (by machines as well as people other than the designer). Even in music there are loop machines, synthesizers, etc. But an author or artist is at the core.
@colincornaby @eschaton

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116231776528551368https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116231776528551368Sun, 15 Mar 2026 06:29:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 06:24:15 GMT]]>Trying to draw a line somewhere on the search & replace continuum is really futile. However, authorship does include the author being able to explain and justify the design decisions made - even if they're the replicated with computer assist.
@paul @eschaton

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116231756518164217https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116231756518164217Sun, 15 Mar 2026 06:24:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 05:50:14 GMT]]>@eschaton A more technical concern I have is the amount of open source code being generated now where the author has little idea how it works. And because open source they’ve decided it’s now everyone else’s problem to understand it.

“I couldn’t have normally done this because of X” is nice I guess but is also a tell you’re not equipped to maintain this.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/colincornaby/statuses/116231622808132410https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/colincornaby/statuses/116231622808132410Sun, 15 Mar 2026 05:50:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 05:48:34 GMT]]>@eschaton I’m not sure exactly how to put it - but I just don’t have as much interest in something if I learn the code was generated.

Maybe the best metaphor I have is in art. I have art hanging on my wall that I admire because it’s nice but also because it was made by hand. I can see the craft and work that went into it.

Maybe one decided to generate AI art. That doesn’t mean I’m going to feel the same about it or think that you’re as much of an artist.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/colincornaby/statuses/116231616230699867https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/colincornaby/statuses/116231616230699867Sun, 15 Mar 2026 05:48:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 04:37:56 GMT]]>@eschaton I’m curious if you think its all plagiarism or if some uses of LLMs are not? I asked it today to go look through some classes and add a define everywhere I was hardcoding a specific constant. I find it hard to accept that as plagiarism for any kind of definition of it that makes sense to me. Where doing “write a web browser" I'd imagine is going to just spew out a ton of other people's code.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tapbots.social/users/paul/statuses/116231338491324588https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tapbots.social/users/paul/statuses/116231338491324588Sun, 15 Mar 2026 04:37:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 03:47:12 GMT]]>@eschaton An irony is that pmarreck seems to have accidentally explained the exquisite trap that genAI lays out for us: society must ultimately demand that the operator of a GenAI tool take responsibility for any failures of the tool’s output, even though said operator did not invent that output.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sfba.social/users/drahardja/statuses/116231139030734689https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sfba.social/users/drahardja/statuses/116231139030734689Sun, 15 Mar 2026 03:47:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 02:50:36 GMT]]>@eschaton the thing i will note is that "not being true agi believers" gets brought up to make beliefs sound more reasonable without actually having more reasonable beliefs

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/tef/statuses/116230916469323541https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/tef/statuses/116230916469323541Sun, 15 Mar 2026 02:50:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 02:25:33 GMT]]>Type 2 can be summed up as “How dare you presume to tell me whether I’m allowed to use an LLM if I want to?!” Just an absolutely incredible degree of entitlement.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/eschaton/statuses/116230817929532865https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/eschaton/statuses/116230817929532865Sun, 15 Mar 2026 02:25:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now: on Sun, 15 Mar 2026 02:18:08 GMT]]>@michaelgemar It absolutely includes CEOs, CTOs, pundits, and the like. However it also includes the people who get extremely angry when an Open Source project says “no, we will not take your contribution to our project if you used an LLM to create it, because it’s not your work.” They can go to Dennis Reynolds levels of unbound rage almost instantly and it’s really something to see.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/eschaton/statuses/116230788753518873https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/eschaton/statuses/116230788753518873Sun, 15 Mar 2026 02:18:08 GMT