<![CDATA[Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html]]>RE: https://floss.social/@josch/117507580019985725

Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html

And we see here that at least one Debian developer, @josch, has been lost due to this change.

This is INCREDIBLY sad IMO. If you're an MNT Reform family computer user, @josch is basically a folk hero for making those machines *work*.

I am still feeling vindicated in my Vibe Bobsled blogpost, having seen both what's happening to the Linux Kernel and now to Debian, where we see the dismantling not only of individuals coding, but also communities, as everyone rides the icy chute down the hill https://dustycloud.org/blog/faulty-towers-vibe-sickness-and-the-vibe-bobsled/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/27b6a10f-76d3-45f5-9718-b76a3448985d/consequences-for-the-recent-llm-vote-seem-to-have-arrived-for-debian...-automated-slop-reviews-https-lists.debian.org-debian-devel-2026-10-msg00263.htmlRSS for NodeSun, 01 Nov 2026 07:35:44 GMTMon, 26 Oct 2026 18:51:12 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 21:24:01 GMT]]>@eschwartz I am absolutely eying Gentoo. When I introduced the concept of build profiles in Debian 13 years ago (lol time flies), I was shamelessly getting myself inspired by Gentoo USE flags. 😄
https://wiki.debian.org/BuildProfileSpec
@cwebber

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/josch/statuses/117509314392922045https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/josch/statuses/117509314392922045Mon, 26 Oct 2026 21:24:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 21:21:57 GMT]]>@joeyh I am looking forward to reading where you will end up. I am a big admirer of your work and "using the distro Joey is using" is something I am considering for my life after Debian. 🙂 @cwebber

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/josch/statuses/117509306316111323https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/josch/statuses/117509306316111323Mon, 26 Oct 2026 21:21:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:33:27 GMT]]>@cwebber @tusharhero @joeyh @josch

Even though I'd like to see a statement banning LLM contributions more generally even if the copyright issue is resolved, I'll take this ban as sufficient for the moment. If this ban can hold for a year or so, we'll likely see the financial AIpocalypse and it will be easier to get a more principled policy. Meanwhile I can start working on switching my laptop.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/dlakelan/statuses/117509115584869094https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/dlakelan/statuses/117509115584869094Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:33:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:10:11 GMT]]>@cwebber @josch Part of the problem is that there are two camps of the AI users who don't even hear any of the issues with it.
Those two are: the one's who push the technology/the SaaS products and the others are the ones who can't program or just started.
Both have different reasons why they don't want to listen but the first has an incentive that the 2nd one doesn't listen either.
It's really frustrating to interact with people who normalize vibe coding.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/thaodan/statuses/117509024086467732https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/thaodan/statuses/117509024086467732Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:10:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:04:57 GMT]]>@cwebber "As if what the world needed was yet another blogpost about LLMs and AI tech."
Well I'm glad you wrote it because this was such a fucking excellent read. Thanks Christine.
Especially loved the transit infrastructure analogy at the end.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://merveilles.town/users/csepp/statuses/117509003478960317https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://merveilles.town/users/csepp/statuses/117509003478960317Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:04:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:57:53 GMT]]>@cwebber @josch Sadness. 😕

The argument about improving tools like Lintian instead of dismissing them in favor of those services is exactly what I feared would happen in Guix without a proper policy in place: that people would stop improving ‘guix lint’, ‘guix refresh’, etc. as they move to LLMs.

I’m “glad” that prediction wasn’t overblown, but I’d be happier if Debian hadn’t tested it!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.aquilenet.fr/users/civodul/statuses/117508975700090579https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.aquilenet.fr/users/civodul/statuses/117508975700090579Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:57:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:39:54 GMT]]>@cwebber @josch Debian is repeating the nazi bar process that Bevy went through. It doesn't matter if the official statement explicitly puts some limitation on LLM usage or promotion; as long as any usage is allowed, all restrictions get ignored by boosters and that gets tolerated. https://blog.fallible.net/it-breaks-a-village/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/be/statuses/117508904986665097https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/be/statuses/117508904986665097Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:39:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:36:15 GMT]]>@josch @cwebber

remains committed to the stance that using LLM assistance to contribute modifications to official Gentoo projects (including but not limited to, the package recipes, package manager and linting software, infrastructure and developer services, documentation, etc.) is a violation of the social contract and bannable as bad behavior rather than as legal/copyright issues. 🙂

New human contributors always welcome...

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/eschwartz/statuses/117508890650980548https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/eschwartz/statuses/117508890650980548Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:36:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:31:42 GMT]]>@be @cwebber @josch and it's clear the leadership has been wanting to make Linux into a Nazi bar for a long time now.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://orbital.horse/users/emma/statuses/117508872773000791https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://orbital.horse/users/emma/statuses/117508872773000791Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:31:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:30:03 GMT]]>@cwebber @josch It really seems to be a nazi bar problem. Give the sloperators a millimetere and they take a light year.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/be/statuses/117508866267525163https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/be/statuses/117508866267525163Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:30:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:29:17 GMT]]>@cwebber This, together with the churn of updates (php,node,kernel ... ) . I can feel this is wearing my enthusiasm down. @josch

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/117508863262087434https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/117508863262087434Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:29:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:29:16 GMT]]>@cwebber @tusharhero Well, one of my main regrets is that I didn't object to debian's GR process (and the entire debian constitution) early on, despite seeing how it would lead to bad things. (Never imagined this of course.)

So good on them for being a principled process objector, I guess. Sorta. 1% at least

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508863206403448https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508863206403448Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:29:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:27:26 GMT]]>@joeyh @tusharhero Yes, I am hoping for such a thing also.

(The person who objected turned out to not even be objecting because they disagreed with the policy, but rather the GCD process themselves, which makes the collapse of GCD 008 even more disappointing.)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/cwebber/statuses/117508855976757031https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/cwebber/statuses/117508855976757031Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:27:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:22:52 GMT]]>@tusharhero @cwebber oh right, the ban on the basis that it may infringe copyright. I am still hoping for something stronger, like https://codeberg.org/guix/guix-consensus-documents/src/branch/main/008-genai.md which had 1 sole objector

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508837999867966https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508837999867966Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:22:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:22:03 GMT]]>@tusharhero @joeyh @josch Yeah, the manual does have a policy now. It's stated for copyright reasons explicitly; it would be good to not hinge on that alone, but yes, it is forbidden to use LLM based contributions to Guix now. https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/commit/dd3fa6231f12f0f0b911b19484ce2cc5de86a100

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/cwebber/statuses/117508834819795476https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/cwebber/statuses/117508834819795476Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:22:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:18:32 GMT]]>@joeyh @cwebber guix has already banned llm "contributions" .

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tusharhero/statuses/117508820990645142https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tusharhero/statuses/117508820990645142Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:18:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:18:05 GMT]]>@cwebber

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]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508819226271215https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508819226271215Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:18:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:14:54 GMT]]>@cwebber @josch it sounds like, predictably, the sloperators are confident and headstrong enough to ignore the letter and spirit of the vote outcome (which was already disappointing enough) and try to shove their bullshit down everyone's throats without even trying for consensus. But we all knew already that that's the kind of people they are. I'm not sure there's any saving Debian at this point; it's been infiltrated.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/aburka/statuses/117508806679945173https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/aburka/statuses/117508806679945173Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:14:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:06:21 GMT]]>@joeyh Wow! Few things could make me happier than you joining us in Guix-land 🙂

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/cwebber/statuses/117508773058193035https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/cwebber/statuses/117508773058193035Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:06:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:04:21 GMT]]>@cwebber It's worth noting that the DPL was using an LLM to generate their emails for some time. I was astonished to find that fact buried in LWN a couple weeks back.

Could guix please hurry up with a LLM policy so i can switch to it? I don't have time for multiple episodes of distro hopping, I have distro hopped 2.1 times so far in 31 years.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508765203986603https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508765203986603Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:04:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 18:58:21 GMT]]>@cwebber wow, this will be an interesting avenue for denial of sources to Debian.. If @jwz wants xscreensaver out of Debian he only has to arrange a NEW processing (trivial) and prime the LLM to recommend rejecting it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508741622970336https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/117508741622970336Mon, 26 Oct 2026 18:58:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 18:57:58 GMT]]>@cwebber Please note, that I will still remain a Debian Developer with uploading rights. I will also still upload packages. I will just no longer upload to NEW as long as this situation persists.

But yes, it is becoming more and more frustrating and I'm eying other projects like or and of course remains my Nr1 hobby, so no worries 🙂

This specific issue will probably get addressed but when your hobby involves more and more "pushing back" then yes, priorities will change...

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/josch/statuses/117508740118227883https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://floss.social/users/josch/statuses/117508740118227883Mon, 26 Oct 2026 18:57:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Consequences for the recent LLM vote seem to have arrived for Debian... automated slop reviews: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/10/msg00263.html on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 18:52:32 GMT]]>@cwebber TwT

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://solarpunk.moe/users/theotheroracle/statuses/117508718783110599https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://solarpunk.moe/users/theotheroracle/statuses/117508718783110599Mon, 26 Oct 2026 18:52:32 GMT