<![CDATA[Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council]]>Switch to a European search engine

Advice #006
Digital Sovereignty Council

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/2e36c27e-5eb6-4565-a2da-b442000eaa22/switch-to-a-european-search-engine-qwant-ecosia-startpageadvice-006digital-sovereignty-councilRSS for NodeMon, 13 Apr 2026 02:56:19 GMTFri, 20 Mar 2026 20:07:34 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 11:00:35 GMT]]>@Anders_S @sigismundninja jag reflekterade inte över att vi var två svenskar och tråden, som är på engelska, riktar sig inte till svenskar specifikt. Mitt förslag är att du mute:ar (tystar) mitt konto om det ger upphov till sådan irritation för dig. Jag ser inget orimligt här

Mina barn är irriterande över att jag rättar dem och insisterar på att vi använder svenska ord när vi talar med varandra. De anser att jag "hatar engelska". De skulle ha mycket roligt åt att jag får en släng av samma slev

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266817019617337https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266817019617337Sat, 21 Mar 2026 11:00:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 10:51:55 GMT]]>@Anders_S @sigismundninja svårt att svara kort och koncist. Men jag svarar på det språk som används i tråden. Och tråden startades på engelska. Jag förmodar att Sigismund gjorde/gör likadant.

Det är också för att inkludera andra även om det finns en praktisk översättningsfunktion på vissa servrar.

Slutligen är det av vana (ovana) eftersom all "chat" på jobbet alltid är 100% på engelska, så det går i bara farten..

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266782921507754https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266782921507754Sat, 21 Mar 2026 10:51:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 10:28:14 GMT]]>@sigismundninja @leanderlindahl Återigen. Varför skriver två svenskspråkiga till varandra på engelska? Det är för mig obegripligt. Är ni för att använda europeiska programvaror så är det ju rimligt att ni också i huvudsak använder svenska. Annars är ni faktiskt inte trovärdiga och inte seriösa.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/Anders_S/statuses/116266689802572658https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/Anders_S/statuses/116266689802572658Sat, 21 Mar 2026 10:28:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 08:23:54 GMT]]>@sigismundninja @leanderlindahl Qwant är ingen metasökmotor då de har ett eget index vilket fungerar bra. Ecosia och Qwant utarbetar ett europeiskt index så även Ecosia kommer att upphöra som Metasökmotor (de använder resultat från Bing). Le Chat Pro är AI och sökresultaten från Mojeek är värdelösa enligt den erfarenhet jag har.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/Anders_S/statuses/116266200882163665https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/Anders_S/statuses/116266200882163665Sat, 21 Mar 2026 08:23:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 08:07:36 GMT]]>@sigismundninja
I really like too, but its not "cutting edge" and you need to use it via LM Studio so far. But it's European and open for everyone to use.

I wanted to create a LibreOffice plugin for Apertus. That would be a dream and offer an alternative for simple office usage instead of CoPilot and OpenAI. Maybe a plugin for LeChat too? But I haven't gotten around to that... 😟

@Qwant @ecosia

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266136828635021https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266136828635021Sat, 21 Mar 2026 08:07:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 08:02:49 GMT]]>@sigismundninja
Yes, you have to find what works for you. I agree that LLMs are useful as a kind of StackOverflow reference (replacement). I like to use @Qwant and @ecosia to support them creating an independent European search index, which they're working on right now.

The more users, the more resources, the sooner they get there.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266117971493963https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266117971493963Sat, 21 Mar 2026 08:02:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:54:36 GMT]]>@leanderlindahl
Same here. I still use the good old search engine for food.

For technical stuff I usually first try a chat bot though. Unless I know that the information probably is in some reference manual or official guide. (A chat bot can still be better for that. Especially if I have added the manuals explicitly via RAG.)

Most search results are AI generated crap, so I tend to just generate it "myself". Then it usually turns out pretty good.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/sigismundninja/statuses/116266085652713671https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/sigismundninja/statuses/116266085652713671Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:54:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:51:25 GMT]]>@sigismundninja
Mistral Vibe:

https://video.folkdata.se/w/rbgZpmgnuyE21hKZNvbHDc

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266073193374045https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266073193374045Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:51:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:44:54 GMT]]>@sigismundninja yes, I use le chat too, but I don't do searches for facts with LLM:s. And for many simpler searches like "recipe lasagne", "opening hours library of Lund" or "European alternatives web site" it doesn't make sense to me.

I use LLMs for coding and prototyping mostly. For "chat" I strongly recommend Le Chat, just like you.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266047525832254https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266047525832254Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:44:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:38:55 GMT]]>@forgetpassword @Mojeek

I'd want to know about the Mojeek "story". What makes it unique, what are it's strengths. What is the "business plan"/income stream to finance the operations. And they clearly need a stronger visual identity including the logo/icon. Maybe it'll be my next employer? I can do their visual design and coms 🙂 😉

There are many nice things about it when giving it a quick look. Also, why do you hear so little about it? How many are they? I need to read up on this.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266024022730301https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116266024022730301Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:38:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:31:49 GMT]]>@leanderlindahl
I use Le Chat Pro from Mistral and Startpage and Mojeek. Ecosia is an awful and bloated experience.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/sigismundninja/statuses/116265996058649722https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/sigismundninja/statuses/116265996058649722Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:31:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:27:08 GMT]]>@leanderlindahl

Other (better?) ones:

Le Chat (Pro) because that's how you "google" nowadays: https://chat.mistral.ai/

Probably the best experience and transparent business model, but expensive: https://metager.org/

A real (not meta) search engine: https://www.mojeek.com/

Self hosted meta engine: https://docs.searxng.org/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/sigismundninja/statuses/116265977705315593https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/sigismundninja/statuses/116265977705315593Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:27:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:02:49 GMT]]>@Rick_d_card indeed 🇨🇦 💪 🎉. Maybe it was the default in your browser? What browser do you use? I had Brave preinstalled with startpage on my ZorinOS.

Disclaimer: I don't use Brave. I use Vivaldi, Waterfox and Mullvad.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116265882068763952https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116265882068763952Sat, 21 Mar 2026 07:02:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 06:59:25 GMT]]>@forgetpassword yes I know about Mojeek 🇬🇧 (its existence), but I should read up on it more. It's interesting.

And a bunch of browsers have used startpage as the default when I install them, I'm curious why.

@Mojeek

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116265868700820240https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.folkdata.se/ap/users/116002581058996585/statuses/116265868700820240Sat, 21 Mar 2026 06:59:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 05:14:59 GMT]]>@leanderlindahl @Mojeek is European Search (UK) that gives me funky and obscure results 💚
https://mojeek.com

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://unredacted.social/ap/users/116254462585790772/statuses/116265458041617468https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://unredacted.social/ap/users/116254462585790772/statuses/116265458041617468Sat, 21 Mar 2026 05:14:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Switch to a European search engine #qwant #ecosia #startpageAdvice #006Digital Sovereignty Council on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 23:04:58 GMT]]>@leanderlindahl I am Canadian and I use Starpage

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