<![CDATA[The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization.]]>The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/3a6a269a-a872-4802-80be-1901518f3b88/the-us-has-declared-autistici-inventati-an-italian-anarchist-hacker-in-the-classic-sense-of-the-term-collective-a-terrorist-organization.RSS for NodeSat, 29 Aug 2026 10:25:30 GMTThu, 27 Aug 2026 15:18:39 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:35:00 GMT]]>"Take down the roots" - hahaha, all of them? how? They are distributed! Not only are there 13 root server names, but their IPs are anycast and served by so much more machines at so many locations that "taking down the roots" is something you would certainly not be able to accomplish.

@lispi314 @cwebber

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/wonka/statuses/117175281302406236https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/wonka/statuses/117175281302406236Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:35:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:28:07 GMT]]>@wonka @cwebber Take down the roots and look at the entire thing instantly failing to work.

It's not distributed.]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://udongein.xyz/objects/0d5799fa-d11e-490e-8521-939cd65fba69https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://udongein.xyz/objects/0d5799fa-d11e-490e-8521-939cd65fba69Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:28:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:26:00 GMT]]>The hosting is distributed.

@lispi314 @cwebber

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/wonka/statuses/117175245872570450https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/wonka/statuses/117175245872570450Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:26:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:12:12 GMT]]>@cwebber Also see https://theintercept.com/2026/08/28/trump-antifa-terrorist-websites-free-speech/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mendeddrum.org/users/nukleos/statuses/117175191613446265https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mendeddrum.org/users/nukleos/statuses/117175191613446265Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:12:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:27:56 GMT]]>@LunaDragofelis @aronowski @cwebber TLS has the benefit of cutting out involuntary meddling of middle boxes (remember ad injection?). There's also safety in larger numbers regarding traffic analysis. Lots of TLS traffic doesn't look suspicious because it's perfectly normal.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/cararemixed/statuses/117175017597329567https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/cararemixed/statuses/117175017597329567Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:27:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:24:25 GMT]]>@LunaDragofelis @cararemixed @cwebber
Yeah, places where authentication is needed even to log in should have it. Though a read-only cool website you're making does not... or does it?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/117175003724826371https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/117175003724826371Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:24:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:20:41 GMT]]>@aronowski @cararemixed @cwebber ActivityPub (what fedi instances use between each other) requires TLS as far as I know]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://void.lgbt/objects/73f2d225-6a6c-42a4-98ce-e8b19cbc75behttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://void.lgbt/objects/73f2d225-6a6c-42a4-98ce-e8b19cbc75beFri, 28 Aug 2026 20:20:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:18:21 GMT]]>@LunaDragofelis @cararemixed @cwebber
The HSTS mechanism should be reserved for sites like banking or others where exchange of sensitive information needs to be maximally secure. Question is, why even use TLS for a personal and public website made as a hobby and for fun in the first place?

(Alright, I'd understand cases like SEO scoring and others, but that's not applicable here)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/117174979871621039https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/117174979871621039Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:18:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:05:22 GMT]]>@agowa338@chaos.social

centralised and libertarian would be .i2p, you (in theory) can choose who the central authority that provides the naming is yourself.
isn't i2p equivalent to Tor here? i2p addresses are just a public key or something?

yes, you can choose a central naming authority to give short memorable names. congratulations, you just reinvented DNS. you can also choose not to use the ICANN root zone. see: OpenNIC. that's still a centralized single point of institutional failure. so isn't DNS also "libertarian" by this logic?

(to my understanding, i2p short names are supposed to be more like personal bookmarks than a public registry. but you made it seem like it's DNS? and it's functionality similar for sure)

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Tor and I2P are decentralized in the ways that matter: there's no single organization (or N organizations) that can kick you off the network as a whole. (well, unless the entire network conspires against you; but if literally anyone wants to talk to you, then you can be on the network). in exchange, they don't have anything like the DNS. there's no central naming authority. the central naming authority is the hard thing to solve.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gaysex.cloud/notes/aqgy3qvtltoo078ihttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gaysex.cloud/notes/aqgy3qvtltoo078iFri, 28 Aug 2026 20:05:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:03:10 GMT]]>@cwebber DNS is "decentralized" because if one server removes a domain name, you can just use another one that still has it. However this is not at all how DNSs are operated in reality & it is completely centralized. There are a few alternative DNS networks, but those are also centralized!

What are people getting confused about here, the acronym? The "D" stands for "domain", not "decentralized".

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://furry.engineer/users/jackemled/statuses/117174920159066716https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://furry.engineer/users/jackemled/statuses/117174920159066716Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:03:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:52:53 GMT]]>@agowa338@chaos.social in particular for Autistici/Inventati, the relevant domains seem to all have been under .org. this is operated by the Public Interest Registry which is based in Virginia, United States. that's the single point of failure that can take away those domains. and because they're based in the US, of course they will revoke domains relating to anyone its government declares as terrorists. like, sure, not all of DNS is centralized with PIR, but all of .org is controlled by them alone.

one can play a game of whack-a-mole and find a new registry. check out sci-hub, which has done exactly this.
but it doesn't solve the problem. at some point, you can run out of registries or jurisdictions. you can be Kicked Off DNS entirely. centralized between N entities that have to agree to remove you, is still centralized. it's not that much different from 1 entity consisting of N members voting to control what the single entity does. (i think you already know this and agree with me? certainly this has to be what you meant by authoritarian)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gaysex.cloud/notes/aqgxnpg7ltoo078fhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gaysex.cloud/notes/aqgxnpg7ltoo078fFri, 28 Aug 2026 19:52:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:48:28 GMT]]>@sodiboo

And centralised and authoritarian would be when IANA had a full table and wouldn't have a concept of delegating.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/agowa338/statuses/117174862354057840https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/agowa338/statuses/117174862354057840Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:48:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:48:20 GMT]]>@alienghic @alice @cwebber Well, payment could be things like Visa gift cards of any variety (in the US, non-reloadable) that does not need to be activated with ID.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/LukefromDC/statuses/117174861861534924https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/LukefromDC/statuses/117174861861534924Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:48:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:47:13 GMT]]>@sodiboo

Yea, decentralised and authoritarian.

decentralised and libertarian would be e.g. Tor with .onion addresses. Which has the issue of not being able to choose the domain name (in it's entirety at least).

centralised and libertarian would be .i2p, you (in theory) can choose who the central authority that provides the naming is yourself. Which has the issue of them potentially disagreeing (like early days when you c'n'p-ed host files)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/agowa338/statuses/117174857494393254https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/agowa338/statuses/117174857494393254Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:47:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:46:15 GMT]]>@alienghic @alice @cwebber Fight now, or they come for us anyway later.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/LukefromDC/statuses/117174853637741821https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/LukefromDC/statuses/117174853637741821Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:46:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:40:53 GMT]]>@agowa338@chaos.social DNS infrastructure is relatively decentralized/redundant (just look at the diversity of root zone operators!), but control is not at all decentralized (though, it is hierarchical, as you say)

most significantly, the root zone is controlled by ICANN alone, and each TLD is controlled by a registry alone. to buy a domain, you have to go through that registry indirectly. that registry can take your domain away. and so can your registrar.

the decentralized and redundant infrastructure solves a real problem: there is no single technical point of failure the can take out the entire system. in decades of operation, DNS as a whole has never suffered a complete outage. the root zone has had 100% uptime, despite several large-scale attacks over its existence.

but the very centralized control of the same system presents a real problem: you're at the whims of Two Organizations (registry and registrar) to not take your domains away. you can never own a domain.

the hierarchical nature allows you to pick which organizations to be at the whims of, and this is good, because there's no single organizational point of failure for the entire system (besides ICANN, who does not have the power to take away individual second-level domains). if one registry or registrar is hostile, you can go to another one.

but you can never own a domain. you can never not be at the whims of one of the divine organizations.

in a decentralized system (in the sense we mean when we say "DNS is centralized"), you're not forced to trust a central entity. in DNS, you have a couple choices, but at the end of the day, you have to pick one to trust.

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it sounds like what i just described may overlap with what you call an "authoritarian"/"libertarian" system? but you didn't explain these terms very well in the context of a distributed computer system. i'm not sure what you meant by them exactly. so i just avoided using them at all.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gaysex.cloud/notes/aqgx89u3ltoo078ehttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gaysex.cloud/notes/aqgx89u3ltoo078eFri, 28 Aug 2026 19:40:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:20:41 GMT]]>@ashwin @gytisrepecka @cwebber the very first use-case is AI shite, amazing

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://catcatnya.com/users/navi/statuses/117174753109099493https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://catcatnya.com/users/navi/statuses/117174753109099493Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:20:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:11:39 GMT]]>@auxonic @eviloatmeal @navi @cwebber 🇨🇦Canencrypt™ . No, it's not about crypto and canes, ugh, forget it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/johnefrancis/statuses/117174717640934974https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/johnefrancis/statuses/117174717640934974Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:11:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:09:47 GMT]]>@navi Are there any good examples of something else on blockchain that the public knows or even uses? I am truly curious

@ashwin @cwebber

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.gyt.is/users/gytisrepecka/statuses/01M14WEE1C1DSEPXZ1SV8HQM5Thttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.gyt.is/users/gytisrepecka/statuses/01M14WEE1C1DSEPXZ1SV8HQM5TFri, 28 Aug 2026 19:09:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:08:45 GMT]]>@cwebber@social.coop what do you propose we use instead of dns?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/aqgw2xlkj1p30anvhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/aqgw2xlkj1p30anvFri, 28 Aug 2026 19:08:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:06:27 GMT]]>@gytisrepecka @ashwin @cwebber y'all why are we talking about fucking currency again. as per my other reply, no.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://catcatnya.com/users/navi/statuses/117174697148427683https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://catcatnya.com/users/navi/statuses/117174697148427683Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:06:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:05:07 GMT]]>@ashwin Blockchain? I don't think it's good enough for anything in production...

Sure, cryptography is elegant, but all these blockchains are good only for proof of concept projects that looks good on paper. In reality, I don't want to wait payment transaction to complete in minutes - that will never become widely adopted solution

@cwebber @navi

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.gyt.is/users/gytisrepecka/statuses/01M14W5TRSDGJWQZFRD7FV7QPWhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.gyt.is/users/gytisrepecka/statuses/01M14W5TRSDGJWQZFRD7FV7QPWFri, 28 Aug 2026 19:05:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:04:09 GMT]]>@skyfaller @cwebber DNS is a degenerate petname system... one where everybody configures their machines to use the same root.

Like having one dominant currency, it has certain efficiencies and economies of scale. It's hard to compete against.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/dckc/statuses/117174688109249697https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/dckc/statuses/117174688109249697Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:04:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. on Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:26:01 GMT]]>@RevSPLR
ahm. wait a min, who said the USSR was the evil empire in the first place?

oh yeah. the USA

@cwebber

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.io/users/zeh/statuses/117174538179330660https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.io/users/zeh/statuses/117174538179330660Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:26:01 GMT