<![CDATA[But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."]]>But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."

https://blog.includesecurity.com/2026/06/the-smart-tv-in-your-livingroom-is-a-node-in-the-aiscraping-economy/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/3ce55c34-62c0-4bbf-8ae1-86fca333e01f/but-if-i-hijack-their-devices-it-s-a-felony.RSS for NodeFri, 12 Jun 2026 08:37:13 GMTSun, 07 Jun 2026 04:08:28 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:38:32 GMT]]>@kkarhan @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex I take it you don't run multiple inputs into a single TV, without using an input splitter.

If you have something that's HDMI 1, another on HDMI 2, and a third on DVI, and most of those devices are just in sleep mode most of the time (Or some are perpetually on.), then...it really sells the "Just go to one screen, and figure out which of the 5 services has the movie/show you want to watch.".

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116708862340021674https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116708862340021674Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:38:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:33:28 GMT]]>@Hex @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs Consider buying a "Monitor" or "Digital Signage Display" instead?

- Those are just Stupid TVs these days…

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116708842458372148https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116708842458372148Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:33:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:31:59 GMT]]>@AT1ST @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex well, I've yet to find a TV (or any screen) that doesn't turn on upon getting an HDMI/DVI/VGA/DP/SCART signal.

- And the few cases where you don't want people fumbling around (and you can't be assed to i.e. send a Wake-on-LAN packet) are digital signage and those are on 24/7 or get powered on/off by scheduled breakers anyway…

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116708836585526665https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116708836585526665Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:31:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:22:08 GMT]]>@kkarhan @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex Sure, but now you need *two* devices, and you have to always make sure the TV screen is set to the right input to accept the Kodi box, once it's turned on (It is on, right?).

The benefit of a smart TV is that, as long as they aren't spying and telemetry harvesting your data, you get the best of both, but in one device.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116708797885815753https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116708797885815753Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:22:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:13:55 GMT]]>@saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex +9001%

Worst-Case I just shove (nee ) on a (or upcycled Laptop*) and have that as an option.
- Getting a cheap wireless combo thingy (i.e. Logitech MK270 or Rii X8) and be done with it…

*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fnsGHe8eE

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116708765537579573https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116708765537579573Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:13:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:09:29 GMT]]>@AT1ST @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex one could have the same with like Kodi…

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116708748158133088https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116708748158133088Sun, 07 Jun 2026 12:09:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 11:43:31 GMT]]>@Hex omg so that's the explanation for what's hitting our gitlab, i already blocked over 1.5 million IPs! > Bright Data is a data-collection company that sells access to what it markets as the world’s largest residential proxy network of 400M+ home IP addresses that its customers route web-scraping traffic through.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mntmn/statuses/116708646057026047https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mntmn/statuses/116708646057026047Sun, 07 Jun 2026 11:43:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 11:16:55 GMT]]>@Hex When I needed a new dumbbox last year, I specifically ordered the 2024 version. They shipped me the '25 version of that same model. Before opening, I looked it up and it was wall-to-wall AI trash. I immediately returned it, then ordered the '24 from someone else.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/DukeDuke/statuses/116708541402245674https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/DukeDuke/statuses/116708541402245674Sun, 07 Jun 2026 11:16:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 11:08:01 GMT]]>@Hex@kolektiva.social I solved that issue years ago. All my TVs are dumb. And things like my DVD player and TV are not on the internet. Fuck progress and spyware.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://calckeymusic.social/notes/an78svesuyd1f2qnhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://calckeymusic.social/notes/an78svesuyd1f2qnSun, 07 Jun 2026 11:08:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 11:01:53 GMT]]>@saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex (And with respect to kids, people can babysit... without needing your laptop to have the kid watch the "Show/Movie of the month".

Is screentime bad for kids' minds? Maybe, but it's good for babysitting damage control; "Sit here and watch Frozen again while I put <Younger kid> to their crib." is...an amazing way to make babysitting multiple kids manageable as a single babysitter.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116708482297081886https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116708482297081886Sun, 07 Jun 2026 11:01:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 10:57:18 GMT]]>@saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex One example that comes to mind is that, when they have services like Netflix, Disney +, etc. preloaded onto the TV.

Mostly useful if, say, you have kids, given that those services effectively replaced cable...sort of.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116708464264358306https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116708464264358306Sun, 07 Jun 2026 10:57:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 10:55:53 GMT]]>@Hex

I should be the one watching the TV. It should not be watching back.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.ai/users/GhostOnTheHalfShell/statuses/116708458741748644https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.ai/users/GhostOnTheHalfShell/statuses/116708458741748644Sun, 07 Jun 2026 10:55:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 10:53:29 GMT]]>@Hex Very interesting. I disconnected my "smart" TV from my wireless router years ago when I noticed it had been sending gigabytes of data without any good reason.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/tokyo_0/statuses/116708449268210940https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/tokyo_0/statuses/116708449268210940Sun, 07 Jun 2026 10:53:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 10:01:29 GMT]]>@saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs I would literally pay more for a TV that isn't smart. Unfortunately, that's almost impossible to find because vendors figured out they could make more money selling surveillance than hardware.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/Hex/statuses/116708244827347711https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://kolektiva.social/users/Hex/statuses/116708244827347711Sun, 07 Jun 2026 10:01:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 09:52:55 GMT]]>@nunesgh

Surprised not I am.

@Hex

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.tchncs.de/users/PC_Fluesterer/statuses/116708211117585746https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.tchncs.de/users/PC_Fluesterer/statuses/116708211117585746Sun, 07 Jun 2026 09:52:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 09:39:50 GMT]]>@Hex
I am surprised by how easy it is to bypass a VPN on iOS!

"The SDK’s config ships a flag “use_netifs”: true. That flag triggers code in the SDK binary that constructs its NWConnection with a specific required interface: en0 (WiFi) or pdp_ip0 (cellular), rather than using the system default route.

On iOS, this bypasses any configured VPN’s tun0 interface entirely. The peer tunnel does not cross a user-configured VPN, even when the rest of the app’s HTTPS traffic does."

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nunesgh/statuses/116708159649913501https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nunesgh/statuses/116708159649913501Sun, 07 Jun 2026 09:39:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 08:11:25 GMT]]>@kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex i never understood the appeal of a "smart tv".
Just let me watch my normal stuff from my laptop. I already know my laptop and all my browser plugins are there etc.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/saxnot/statuses/116707811988046854https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/saxnot/statuses/116707811988046854Sun, 07 Jun 2026 08:11:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 07:54:48 GMT]]>@Hex
> with the user’s consent, turns their phone or smart TV into one of those exit nodes.

isn't there someone they forgot to ask?

Idk about other countries, but at least in Poland, ISPs typically forbid customers from "letting other people outside of customer premises use the service" in their ToS.

These proxies wouldn't exist if ISPs enforced their own ToS.

Also, why aren't we holding ISPs accountable for the relayed traffic?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.io/users/wolf480pl/statuses/116707746708544398https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.io/users/wolf480pl/statuses/116707746708544398Sun, 07 Jun 2026 07:54:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 06:36:41 GMT]]>@groxx @silberfuchs @Hex I mean, my 10 yr old stupid TV still works fine.

- No reason to replace anything!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116707439511199754https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116707439511199754Sun, 07 Jun 2026 06:36:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 06:28:40 GMT]]>@Hex oh boy, this explains exactly what I see on our network at work.

Millions of IP addresses from global residential networks making exactly 1 request. With a human-looking, but old user agent header.

We had to implement a JavaScript cookie challenge for all users, which is sad but works.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/klausi/statuses/116707407977176371https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/klausi/statuses/116707407977176371Sun, 07 Jun 2026 06:28:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 06:20:58 GMT]]>@kkarhan @silberfuchs @Hex yea, just don't connect them to internet and most work fine. annoyingly slower than the previous year's model, every year, due to the bloat still running... but it's nerfed. and they sold it to you at a loss.

and return the ones that don't work fine, obviously. let them eat the fees.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/groxx/statuses/116707377723452070https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/groxx/statuses/116707377723452070Sun, 07 Jun 2026 06:20:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 05:47:08 GMT]]>@acsawdey or better yet:

Don't buy at all.
- If it ain't broken, no need to replace it!
https://mastodon.social/@kkarhan/116707152390010818

Like I'd just flatout refuse to buy a TV that doesn't allow me to just plug & play!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116707244643492904https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116707244643492904Sun, 07 Jun 2026 05:47:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 05:23:40 GMT]]>@silberfuchs @Hex what?
- You gonna tell me there isn't a single TV that one can just plug in and feed images via HDMI like a normal person?
- I mean, worst-case I'll get a digital signage screen from illyama.

But so far my cheapo 40" 1080p IPS-LCD-TV refuses to die, so I see no reason to even consider replacing it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116707152390010818https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116306723250896134/statuses/116707152390010818Sun, 07 Jun 2026 05:23:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony." on Sun, 07 Jun 2026 05:17:49 GMT]]>@kkarhan @Hex good luck finding one in 2026

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.edist.ro/users/silberfuchs/statuses/116707129385561524https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.edist.ro/users/silberfuchs/statuses/116707129385561524Sun, 07 Jun 2026 05:17:49 GMT