<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[I’ve said this before and will say it again.]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I’ve said this before and will say it again. If you think social media is so toxic that it damages 16-year-olds then it damages everyone. You don’t magically become immune on your 17th birthday. Either ban it for everyone or not at all.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/4b432410-ba6a-44d2-be9c-5702ac020d0d/i-ve-said-this-before-and-will-say-it-again.</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 18:51:37 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/4b432410-ba6a-44d2-be9c-5702ac020d0d.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 05:25:26 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 09:19:01 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> For real — look at all the 65 year olds getting hella radicalised on Facebook.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.design/users/adrian/statuses/117149738063041389</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.design/users/adrian/statuses/117149738063041389</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[adrian@mastodon.design]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 09:19:01 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 08:37:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/witewulf%40cyberplace.social">@<span>WiteWulf</span></a></span> </p><p>Indeed, the "ban" is effectively a tool to identify everyone using almost all websites regardless of age.</p><p>It is an oppressive surveillance mechanism promulgated by Meta and others to deflect from their own responsibilities, penalties for which would bankrupt them.</p><p>It's not the kids, or the user base in general, that are doing the harm.</p><p><span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@leighelse">@<span>leighelse</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/argv_minus_one%40mastodon.sdf.org">@<span>argv_minus_one</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@Stevet">@<span>Stevet</span></a></span></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/zl2tod/statuses/117149574429765513</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/zl2tod/statuses/117149574429765513</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[zl2tod@mastodon.online]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 08:37:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 08:18:50 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@leighelse">@<span>leighelse</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/argv_minus_one%40mastodon.sdf.org">@<span>argv_minus_one</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@Stevet">@<span>Stevet</span></a></span> absolutely this. It's not about censorship.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cyberplace.social/users/WiteWulf/statuses/117149501383795948</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cyberplace.social/users/WiteWulf/statuses/117149501383795948</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[witewulf@cyberplace.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 08:18:50 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 08:14:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@leighelse">@<span>leighelse</span></a></span> I also want to see liability for negligence to rest with the social media companies. They need to take responsibility for the damage harmful algorithms do.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/billbennett/statuses/117149483965863622</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/billbennett/statuses/117149483965863622</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[billbennett@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 08:14:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 08:13:01 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/argv_minus_one%40mastodon.sdf.org">@<span>argv_minus_one</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/witewulf%40cyberplace.social">@<span>WiteWulf</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@Stevet">@<span>Stevet</span></a></span> No-one's talking censorship. That's a straw man argument, in my opinion. What we are talking about is a transparent algorithm that users can opt out of or modify as they choose.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/leighelse/statuses/117149478523641566</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/leighelse/statuses/117149478523641566</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[leighelse@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 08:13:01 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:57:30 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> </p><p>It is addictive like alcohol.  So yes. Age limits don't stop under-age drinking, but it changes the conversation.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/cbuddenhagen/statuses/117149417492218773</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/cbuddenhagen/statuses/117149417492218773</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[cbuddenhagen@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:57:30 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:53:32 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/argv_minus_one%40mastodon.sdf.org">@<span>argv_minus_one</span></a></span> who said anything about censorship? Not me…</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cyberplace.social/users/WiteWulf/statuses/117149401924828379</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cyberplace.social/users/WiteWulf/statuses/117149401924828379</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[witewulf@cyberplace.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:53:32 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:50:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/paulh%40cloudisland.nz">@<span>paulh</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@leighelse">@<span>leighelse</span></a></span> Yes. That is pretty much my point of view. Set some rules and come down hard when there are clear cases of negligence. I prefer to make the services switch off for a while as a punishment to imposing fines, which they just see as a cost of doing business.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/billbennett/statuses/117149389364602739</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/billbennett/statuses/117149389364602739</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[billbennett@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:50:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:38:43 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/paulh%40cloudisland.nz">@<span>paulh</span></a></span> </p><p>The fundamental problem with this line of thinking is that we are discussing speech, not drugs. Speech is not a drug. Speech is a right. Outlawing speech is forbidden under most definitions of human rights, and for good reason: very very very bad things happen immediately after that (see also: Germany, 1930s).</p><p>These politicians all studied history. They know this. Which means this must be their whole intention. Which is absolutely terrifying…</p><p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/leighelse%40mastodon.nz">@<span>leighelse</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/witewulf%40cyberplace.social">@<span>WiteWulf</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/stevet%40mastodon.nz">@<span>Stevet</span></a></span></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117149343666551884</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117149343666551884</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:38:43 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:35:49 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/leighelse%40mastodon.nz">@<span>leighelse</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/witewulf%40cyberplace.social">@<span>WiteWulf</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/stevet%40mastodon.nz">@<span>Stevet</span></a></span></p><p>How do you do that without also making it effectively illegal for anyone who's *not* a tech giant, i.e. doesn't have billions to spend on AI content moderation, to operate a website?</p><p>And how you define “harm” in a way that doesn't result in censorship of political expression, LGBTQ+ resources, etc?</p><p>You can't. Which is why this whole idea needs to be thrown in the incinerator. I don't like X or Meta either, but censorship is far, far worse.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117149332243281811</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117149332243281811</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:35:49 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:35:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@leighelse">@<span>leighelse</span></a></span> This is the way.  Social media will be the 'tobacco harm' of the 21st century in my view.   I also do understand the impulse behind wanting to have some age-limit/bans in place though. We do that with tobacco and alcohol now and I think social media falls into the same level of societal harm.  But evidence suggests they don't work and have all sorts of unintended consequences.  </p><p>The best response is regulate the industry and making them accountable for the harm they are undoubtedly causing, especially to young people.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cloudisland.nz/ap/users/116412982975886890/statuses/117149329492522555</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cloudisland.nz/ap/users/116412982975886890/statuses/117149329492522555</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[paulh@cloudisland.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:35:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:30:38 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> yup, don’t ban it, fix it. Litigate against the bastards 🤨</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cyberplace.social/users/WiteWulf/statuses/117149311887617481</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cyberplace.social/users/WiteWulf/statuses/117149311887617481</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[witewulf@cyberplace.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:30:38 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 06:33:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@Stevet">@<span>Stevet</span></a></span> Yes, the licence one does make sense. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and anyway kids can't just go out unrestricted on the roads on their birthday.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/billbennett/statuses/117149086115431882</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/billbennett/statuses/117149086115431882</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[billbennett@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 06:33:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 06:31:32 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@leighelse">@<span>leighelse</span></a></span> This is exactly where I'm going with my thinking... and make the tech giants responsible for any harm they cause where it can be showed they are negligent.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/billbennett/statuses/117149079502737308</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/billbennett/statuses/117149079502737308</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[billbennett@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 06:31:32 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 06:09:26 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mastodon.nz/@Stevet">@<span>Stevet</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> we're moving towards driverless cars aren't we? Let's just ban everything already. We can't have nice things because we ruin everything. Might as well take oxygen away.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/weekendspy/statuses/117148992542061423</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/weekendspy/statuses/117148992542061423</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[weekendspy@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 06:09:26 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 05:53:16 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> ... or regulate it so it works in a less toxic fashion.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/leighelse/statuses/117148928980065725</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/leighelse/statuses/117148928980065725</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[leighelse@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 05:53:16 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 05:44:11 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> Sorry I should have been more clear, I’m not advocating for or against a ban on social media, just pointing out that sometimes age gates do make sense.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/Stevet/statuses/117148893256092400</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/Stevet/statuses/117148893256092400</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[stevet@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 05:44:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I’ve said this before and will say it again. on Mon, 24 Aug 2026 05:38:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/billbennett%40mastodon.nz">@<span>billbennett</span></a></span> what’s your position on driver’s licenses?</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/Stevet/statuses/117148869307293068</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/Stevet/statuses/117148869307293068</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[stevet@mastodon.nz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 05:38:05 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>