<![CDATA[LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI.]]>LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. They very badly need people to believe it is AGI though, because their growth model does not work without it.

(This excludes the financials, which are just straight-up fraud on wheels)

I would say these claims now border on fraud. It will be fascinating in 20 years when we are looking back on this bubble and wondering how so many smart people were so easily swindled.

AGI / ASI can't happen without an entirely new paradigm. This ain't it chief.

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]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/Elizafox/statuses/117235244815696184https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/Elizafox/statuses/117235244815696184Tue, 08 Sep 2026 11:44:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 11:39:37 GMT]]>@Elizafox
AGI is a misnomer. It's really a way of saying "intelligent AI", but the I in AI already stands for intelligence, so calling ig IAI would expose the swindle.

Current "AI" is not intelligent. It's artificial, yes, but so is microplastics.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://c.im/ap/users/116216635389955538/statuses/117235225542335774https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://c.im/ap/users/116216635389955538/statuses/117235225542335774Tue, 08 Sep 2026 11:39:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 10:14:09 GMT]]>@Elizafox @notavi10
That word "knowing" is a load-bearing one, here.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/KatS/statuses/117234889514047294https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/KatS/statuses/117234889514047294Tue, 08 Sep 2026 10:14:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 09:52:40 GMT]]>@Elizafox

> wondering how so many smart people were so easily swindled.

The same way the Germans said "We knew nothing about that". It preserves their innocence and pretends they weren't a mark too.

The idea that historians will be confused about how so many people are swindled is a weird thing to me; they'd be really bad historians if they don't understand human nature and societal motivations. Then again, maybe it's the same thing as economists now that ignore any motivation beyond money.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/zimzat/statuses/117234805046061391https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/zimzat/statuses/117234805046061391Tue, 08 Sep 2026 09:52:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 09:20:03 GMT]]>@Elizafox
OpenAI's money depends on them building AGI.. As their tech can't actually do it they have to do the next best thing, just claim that it is. 😕
sigh.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://snapp.social/users/lehtimaeki/statuses/117234676790803199https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://snapp.social/users/lehtimaeki/statuses/117234676790803199Tue, 08 Sep 2026 09:20:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:57:41 GMT]]>@Elizafox Shifting the definition of AGI seems to be the business model OpenAI as per Sam Altman 🤔

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/gimulnautti/statuses/117234588795218097https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/gimulnautti/statuses/117234588795218097Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:57:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:52:53 GMT]]>@aatch @Elizafox


I also think it's possible that by sheer force of money, power, oligopoly & will, the current BS will make itself the substrate for a bunch of tech for a generation or two, making the current Microsoft/Apple/Meta era of enshittified mainstream and corporate tech look like a comparatively golden age.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jaystephens/statuses/117234569914134308https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jaystephens/statuses/117234569914134308Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:52:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:48:42 GMT]]>@Elizafox

💯 on the finances

But if the marketing statements only border on fraud, it's because the "truth in advertising" laws are too weak.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/TCatInReality/statuses/117234553497772493https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/TCatInReality/statuses/117234553497772493Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:48:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:47:54 GMT]]>@notavi10 @Elizafox “interpolative” would be a better word.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/Colman/statuses/117234550337920295https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/Colman/statuses/117234550337920295Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:47:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:37:02 GMT]]>@Elizafox As @pluralistic said, hoping AGI will arise out of an LLM is like hoping you will get a locomotive by breeding horses.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://digitalcourage.social/users/lethe/statuses/117234507623738837https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://digitalcourage.social/users/lethe/statuses/117234507623738837Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:37:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:02:20 GMT]]>@Elizafox

"Border on fraud"?

What techbros are pushing rn is way past the borders.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/TCatInReality/statuses/117234371134480984https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/TCatInReality/statuses/117234371134480984Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:02:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 07:54:45 GMT]]>@Elizafox

Generative "AI" still can't generate "full glass of red wine" and it never will, because there aren't enough pictures to train it on. (because common picture is half of glass of wine)
It can never produce anything that didn't get as input.

We won't get AGI from that for sure.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/FandaSin/statuses/117234341319508793https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/FandaSin/statuses/117234341319508793Tue, 08 Sep 2026 07:54:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 07:53:13 GMT]]>@Elizafox Took me less than six weeks to figure that out doing early versions of this work. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how the _fuck_ people think this gets them there. I really can't.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.murkworks.net/users/moira/statuses/117234335307468673https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.murkworks.net/users/moira/statuses/117234335307468673Tue, 08 Sep 2026 07:53:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 07:29:59 GMT]]>@jaystephens @Elizafox unfortunately I suspect that it'll be worse than previous AI Winters. There have been many orders of magnitude more money sunk into it and the exposure is way wider. Previous Winters have been "US Military discovers that it won't be able to replace interpreters and stops funding it", this is so much bigger.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/aatch/statuses/117234243979016003https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nz/users/aatch/statuses/117234243979016003Tue, 08 Sep 2026 07:29:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 07:28:30 GMT]]>@Elizafox The illusion of AGI is necessary to make the chatbot parlour trick work, so they have to push it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/ahltorp/statuses/117234238157598562https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/ahltorp/statuses/117234238157598562Tue, 08 Sep 2026 07:28:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 06:56:05 GMT]]>@Noisecolor @tk @Elizafox
Semantically and technically, I agree.
The issue is about orgs with deep pockets doing a lot of work in the media and in sales pitch slide decks to the C-suite, to conflate hypothetical AGI, LLMs as they currently exist, and claimed but not delivered LLM abilities, under the loose term AI.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jaystephens/statuses/117234110674897113https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jaystephens/statuses/117234110674897113Tue, 08 Sep 2026 06:56:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 06:30:36 GMT]]>@Elizafox That's the same that Yann LeCun said leaving Meta, and I followed his researches since the 90s to early 2000s.

But if people believes so widely on chem trails and vaccine hoaxes, what would you expect with a well packaged marketing move, arranged as a high technical breakthrough?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/ap/users/116092650648397225/statuses/117234010441633325https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/ap/users/116092650648397225/statuses/117234010441633325Tue, 08 Sep 2026 06:30:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 06:11:03 GMT]]>@Elizafox
Some of the stuff ai models do today is quite impressive though...
The more I read about the hugging face exploit, the more it seems to me there is real progress done, when I thought we are platoing.

I doubt llms can get to AGi however that is defined today, but it seems we can use them for a lot of other things.
Not to mention the infrastructure they bring. If there is a new paradigm, this computing power will be most likely needed to run it.

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Ai is just a word that many people can define many ways. It's short, recognizable and everyone knows what it means. Today we use it to describe llms, yesterday we used it for video game opponents and Roomba robots, tomorrow who knows.
You can say that for you , you define ai differently than other people. But most people use it for llms today and not only linguistically, also technically it's a good word to use for that.
@jaystephens @Elizafox

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.community/users/Noisecolor/statuses/117233907539963949https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.community/users/Noisecolor/statuses/117233907539963949Tue, 08 Sep 2026 06:04:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 05:51:46 GMT]]>@Elizafox swindled is the operative word, also in general for capitalism.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://urbanists.social/users/enobacon/statuses/117233857738708069https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://urbanists.social/users/enobacon/statuses/117233857738708069Tue, 08 Sep 2026 05:51:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 05:34:14 GMT]]>@Elizafox
Yeah the gen AI bros have been annoyingly succesful at squatting on that term so that normal folks pretty much fully conflate AI with their products now. Sigh.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jaystephens/statuses/117233788828297649https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jaystephens/statuses/117233788828297649Tue, 08 Sep 2026 05:34:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 04:54:04 GMT]]>@jaystephens @Elizafox All we have is misleading marketing pushed by supervillains.]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://f.kawa-kun.com/objects/881761af-706a-9f94-ec20-dc7961627267https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://f.kawa-kun.com/objects/881761af-706a-9f94-ec20-dc7961627267Tue, 08 Sep 2026 04:54:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 04:50:43 GMT]]>@jaystephens @Elizafox The truth is that we don't have real AI yet. :3]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://f.kawa-kun.com/objects/881761af-696a-9f94-2343-34c946973963https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://f.kawa-kun.com/objects/881761af-696a-9f94-2343-34c946973963Tue, 08 Sep 2026 04:50:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LLMs cannot, by their very nature, lead to AGI. on Tue, 08 Sep 2026 04:47:54 GMT]]>@Elizafox
Fingers X'd the aftermath will be less destructive than previous "AI" backlashes

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