<![CDATA[Wow, such democracy.]]>Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/620f3735-7ffa-42b3-b227-45a75d43075e/wow-such-democracy.RSS for NodeSun, 05 Apr 2026 21:48:29 GMTSun, 05 Apr 2026 08:20:13 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:30:09 GMT]]>@threetails @ali @aral Well, maybe.

The point is that not every bad and oppressive thing is a product of capitalism. Some of those things predate capitalism or just plain don’t depend on it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://twit.social/users/MisuseCase/statuses/116351867892336395https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://twit.social/users/MisuseCase/statuses/116351867892336395Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:30:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:28:01 GMT]]>@MisuseCase @ali @aral Capitalism was an imperfect transition from feudalism that can readily backslide once a ruling class establishes itself.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://plush.city/users/threetails/statuses/116351859526769859https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://plush.city/users/threetails/statuses/116351859526769859Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:28:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:27:19 GMT]]>@aral Can't just write 'bone spurs' under the amount on a cheque payabe to the enlistment officer in germany, I guess.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://metasocial.com/users/hatter/statuses/116351856801447271https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://metasocial.com/users/hatter/statuses/116351856801447271Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:27:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:21:59 GMT]]>@ali @aral

Irregular migration?!? Please define "irregular".

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Gerd_Brodowski/statuses/116351835783982542https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Gerd_Brodowski/statuses/116351835783982542Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:21:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:17:04 GMT]]>@ali @aral Capitalism didn’t invent the practice of countries restricting the movements of their internal populations. It was in fact pretty common in feudalism (think serfs) or countries with Chinese-style imperial bureaucracy (where you needed a pass to travel between provinces).

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://twit.social/users/MisuseCase/statuses/116351816459483828https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://twit.social/users/MisuseCase/statuses/116351816459483828Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:17:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:13:36 GMT]]>@Maik73 @mvsde @lyrial @aral

That's the old version. It was replaced by the recent decision.
The current version deleted that "apply of tension or defense".
Source:
https://www.fr.de/politik/genehmigung-drastische-wehrpflicht-aenderung-maenner-die-deutschland-laenger-wollen-brauchen-zr-94248132.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub

Artikel-Zitat:
"Das bedeutet schlicht, dass die Regelung des Paragraphen 3 nun grundsätzlich immer gilt."

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://troet.cafe/users/grootinside/statuses/116351802808774828https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://troet.cafe/users/grootinside/statuses/116351802808774828Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:13:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:12:10 GMT]]>@DrWhoZee @aral nope, "the old rule" was only in action from 2011-2026. before 2011 it was exactly as it is now again.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/bws/statuses/116351797218816328https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/bws/statuses/116351797218816328Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:12:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:11:44 GMT]]>@Maik73
Please read the next sentence after §2(2)

»(3) Außerhalb des Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfalls gelten die §§ 3, 8a bis 20b, 25, 32 bis 35, 44 und 45.«

@mvsde @lyrial @aral

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/stephie_hamburg/statuses/116351795469102398https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/stephie_hamburg/statuses/116351795469102398Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:11:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:49:11 GMT]]>@bws @aral Well, yes and no. The old rule only applied when the defense state had been declared, now it applies always. There was a rule that if you were eligible for service that you had to notify that you were moving abroad — but that was just that, a notification, not seeking permission.

In any case not seeking permission does not carry a punishment with it, it seems. So…

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://troet.cafe/users/DrWhoZee/statuses/116351706840066172https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://troet.cafe/users/DrWhoZee/statuses/116351706840066172Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:49:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:35:25 GMT]]>@patrick @aral
Herzlichen Dank 🙂

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://todon.nl/users/anarchiv/statuses/116351652696591539https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://todon.nl/users/anarchiv/statuses/116351652696591539Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:35:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:30:18 GMT]]>@aral step into good direction. Have it in 1938, history would look much better.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rbuzz/statuses/116351632551375566https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rbuzz/statuses/116351632551375566Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:30:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:29:11 GMT]]>@anarchiv @aral it probably does not apply to anyone who doesn't have permanent residency in Germany. The requirement is limited by this:

"ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen."

§1 Abs. 2 WPflG:
"Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten."

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gruene.social/users/patrick/statuses/116351628188973019https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gruene.social/users/patrick/statuses/116351628188973019Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:29:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:28:06 GMT]]>@mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
"Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
"Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
And this is currently not the case.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Maik73/statuses/116351623899706189https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Maik73/statuses/116351623899706189Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:28:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:21:39 GMT]]>@Fnordinger No, _you_ are wrong. The restriction to tension and defence was only _introduced_ in 2011. For most of us older people, the exact same rule was in place the whole time up until 2011. @prefec2 @lyrial @aral

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.tchncs.de/users/HeptaSean/statuses/116351598555491228https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.tchncs.de/users/HeptaSean/statuses/116351598555491228Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:21:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:19:51 GMT]]>@HeptaSean You’re wrong. Before the beginning of this year, this was only necessary in times of military tension or defence. Now the permission is necessary at all times.

@prefec2 @lyrial @aral

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Fnordinger/statuses/116351591481022636https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Fnordinger/statuses/116351591481022636Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:19:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:14:22 GMT]]>@aral i REALLY wonder why this is now so a big thing. The EXACT same rule applied up until 2011. so 15 years later introducing it back is suddenly the end of the world?
Also there are no fines/penalties specified if you don't do it...

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/bws/statuses/116351569934483712https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/bws/statuses/116351569934483712Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:14:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:11:40 GMT]]>@prefec2 It's not new, though. It's the same rules that already were in place for us before 2011. @lyrial @aral

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.tchncs.de/users/HeptaSean/statuses/116351559302175439https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.tchncs.de/users/HeptaSean/statuses/116351559302175439Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:11:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:09:11 GMT]]>@aral if you bother to read the actual law, you will read
a) The permission will be granted in periods of non-mandatory service (read as: atm)
b) The minstery of defence might grant general permission.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/lobingera/statuses/116351549506000880https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/lobingera/statuses/116351549506000880Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:09:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:00:03 GMT]]>@mvsde @lyrial @aral That's rather sexist.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.me.uk/users/geoffl/statuses/116351513646617955https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.me.uk/users/geoffl/statuses/116351513646617955Sun, 05 Apr 2026 10:00:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 09:33:57 GMT]]>Finland absolutely does have that.
https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
@nemeciii @aral

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116351410964498205https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116351410964498205Sun, 05 Apr 2026 09:33:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 09:33:12 GMT]]>This is a bog standard thing in countries where there is compulsory military service
https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
@aral

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116351408030596844https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116351408030596844Sun, 05 Apr 2026 09:33:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 09:18:58 GMT]]>@ujay68 @aral the law was enacted in January, but the media only started to report it a couple of days ago. No one has read the new law. I doubt that in parliament many have read it. Some claim that it is in violation of EU law, but I am not really sure.

What we need is a man between 17 and 45 who wants to leave the country for more than 3 months, for example a student.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/prefec2/statuses/116351352089705512https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/prefec2/statuses/116351352089705512Sun, 05 Apr 2026 09:18:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 08:56:00 GMT]]>@lyrial @aral it is true. When one is below 45 years and wants to leave for more than 3 months, one requires a permit. Whether that would hold up before the supreme court is to be seen. For that they have to enforce it and one guy must sue.

It is a disgrace.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/prefec2/statuses/116351261778268894https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/prefec2/statuses/116351261778268894Sun, 05 Apr 2026 08:56:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Wow, such democracy. on Sun, 05 Apr 2026 08:53:29 GMT]]>@aral
Under a capitalist society, freedom of movement can only refer to the movement of capital, and by extension, maybe, goods.

But never people.

And since now Western Empire sees irregular migration as a form of hybrid warfare, it is even worse.

It is not even "you can't move", it is "your movement is an act of war."

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://leftist.network/users/ali/statuses/116351251894055058https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://leftist.network/users/ali/statuses/116351251894055058Sun, 05 Apr 2026 08:53:29 GMT