<![CDATA[Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries.]]>Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/66ddffd8-5417-4e78-9225-30ceccf3bb6b/age-verification-is-a-deliberate-attack-on-system-sovereignty-both-for-individuals-and-countries.RSS for NodeFri, 17 Apr 2026 08:05:42 GMTWed, 15 Apr 2026 12:25:57 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:38:06 GMT]]>@JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish @mhoye sry. guess i misunderstood it then 🤷‍♀️

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/serapath/statuses/116411825321489719https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/serapath/statuses/116411825321489719Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:38:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:30:50 GMT]]>@lalah @mhoye @thesquirrelfish It's a real conservative mindset that protects companies rights to make money on harmful products as opposed to stopping the ability for them to cause harm. Kids died, we have a duty to stop it. Doing nothing is a choice, not the only one. But people get really upset when you point out there are kids dying and they are choosing to do nothing - but that's their decision.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116411796741314984https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116411796741314984Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:30:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:26:53 GMT]]>@mhoye @JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish prohibition actually worked very well, alcoholism rates lowered substantially and never rose back up. the "prohibition didn't work" is propaganda by the alcohol industry not rooted in reality

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sakurajima.moe/users/lalah/statuses/116411781178299838https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://sakurajima.moe/users/lalah/statuses/116411781178299838Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:26:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 00:56:23 GMT]]>@serapath @thesquirrelfish @mhoye you've said "epstein class" twice now in unrelated ways - no one is pushing for giving any data away, you're not replying to us. It's not even sensical.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116411661257343526https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116411661257343526Thu, 16 Apr 2026 00:56:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 00:53:51 GMT]]>@serapath @mhoye @thesquirrelfish I have never in my life asked for age verification, you're replying to me saying to stop bringing it up as a solution

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116411651300921758https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116411651300921758Thu, 16 Apr 2026 00:53:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 23:48:25 GMT]]>@thesquirrelfish @JoeHenzi @mhoye

imho protection only works by building strong digital social support grounded in offline first and local next communities. Giving sole far away anonymous epstein class government all the data of the vulnerable will very much cause more harm and not more good.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/serapath/statuses/116411394016301267https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/serapath/statuses/116411394016301267Wed, 15 Apr 2026 23:48:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 23:45:41 GMT]]>@JoeHenzi @mhoye @thesquirrelfish

oh, so given the epstein class, age verification wpuld make it so much simpler to find all the youngsters they want to prey on.

great move. ...NOT

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/serapath/statuses/116411383256876893https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/serapath/statuses/116411383256876893Wed, 15 Apr 2026 23:45:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:49:41 GMT]]>@tedmielczarek @Offbeatmammal @taatm @mhoye @Gargron But I do want them accountable when they force it on me anyway.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/gooba42/statuses/116410927151856536https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/gooba42/statuses/116410927151856536Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:49:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:46:21 GMT]]>@mhoye So, where in all of this silliness, are the adults, who in theory, are taking responsibility for the accountability of their children?

Age verification is easy to defeat... false IDs, anyone? Verification will lead to a new, improved, false ID industry. And who will monitor the databases for accuracy? Will ICE pay you a visit to demand your „Papieren“?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/c_merriweather/statuses/116410914019294911https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/c_merriweather/statuses/116410914019294911Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:46:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:30:50 GMT]]>@thesquirrelfish @mhoye we're all being abused - I'm super suspect of people out here defending these evil company's right to make money off us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoibAbdQf58

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116410853030337235https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116410853030337235Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:30:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:18:00 GMT]]>@thesquirrelfish @mhoye exactly - the algorithm is the problem - it was connecting pedophiles with kids to keep both parties on platform... that's criminal. Asking for ID doesn't do anything.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116410802526536694https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116410802526536694Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:18:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:49:30 GMT]]>@mhoye

<< There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age” >>

Exactly.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://beige.party/users/DavidM_yeg/statuses/116410690495864088https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://beige.party/users/DavidM_yeg/statuses/116410690495864088Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:49:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:24:54 GMT]]>@mhoye Let us say you are a parent and you think that having operating systems report the age of the user is a good idea. The browser connects to a social media site and it asks and the browser pulls the operating system and gets the age group and reports it to the social media site. Now the site only presents age-appropriate material, right? Except if there are predators on that site watching that flag: And what they have now is a clear and updated indicator for what accounts represent vulnerable young people who have not the knowledge to defend themselves. A victim list, if you will. /S isn't that a wonderful idea? S/..

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://techhub.social/users/wbpeckham/statuses/116410593762797888https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://techhub.social/users/wbpeckham/statuses/116410593762797888Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:24:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:08:50 GMT]]>@mhoye social media desperately needs identity and age verification though. Government controlled (I trust my government to do this the right way)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115916098498902790/statuses/116410530592715479https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115916098498902790/statuses/116410530592715479Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:08:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:55:46 GMT]]>@mhoye
I'm reminded why old order Amish don't use electricity. It's not that they're inherently anti-tech. Its that electricity ties you to someone else - they have the remote off switch on your lights.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/trans_rescue/statuses/116410479190897336https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/trans_rescue/statuses/116410479190897336Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:55:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:45:52 GMT]]>@mhoye @thesquirrelfish sigh, you're right, we should do nothing even though we have this mountain of evidence, it's the same...

EDIT: Weird analogy, since you have to show ID to buy alcohol.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116410204318841830https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116410204318841830Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:45:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:32:41 GMT]]>@JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish bad news about how prohibition worked out, I guess.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116410152468737298https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116410152468737298Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:32:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:31:37 GMT]]>@mhoye @thesquirrelfish sorry you're stuck in a loop - age verification is a red herring, you're going in circles on it

to the point, you're now saying social media companies should police themselves for some reason?

if there are products that are so harmful we need to protect people of certain ages then maybe, idk, we should get rid of those products

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116410148319320802https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116410148319320802Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:31:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:00:18 GMT]]>@JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish "Age verification is not a fix, but ignoring the problem isn't a fix either, so we're going to verify age" is silly, and this whole exercise is an attempt _by social media companies_ to push the burden of responsibility for age verification - and the liability for failure - away from the people who _should_ be verifying the ages of their customers: those same social networks.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116410025119215207https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116410025119215207Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:00:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:00:11 GMT]]>@mhoye I call it "age discrimination" because it is.

The nominal point is to age discriminate. (The actual point is to prevent anti-ice protests from organizing anonymously on signal next time.)

There's no "verification" in Gavin Newsom's bill, it's attestation like the "are you 18 y/n" clickthroughs sites have had since fosta/sesta under the first trump administration. The point is to mandate something you can then tie to palantir/clear/persona and your platform's TPM/SMM.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.jp/users/landley/statuses/116410024672263008https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.jp/users/landley/statuses/116410024672263008Wed, 15 Apr 2026 18:00:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:37:25 GMT]]>@thesquirrelfish @mhoye Age verification is not a fix, but ignoring the problem isn't a fix either. People are addicted to social media and fighting to keep it, no matter who is dead.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116409935136992583https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/116321766470899932/statuses/116409935136992583Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:37:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:34:50 GMT]]>@njyo @mhoye supposedly the DSA of EU requires such a thing and the Greek gov wallet supposedly has implemented it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://libretooth.gr/users/tsadilas/statuses/116409924976622253https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://libretooth.gr/users/tsadilas/statuses/116409924976622253Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:34:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:27:28 GMT]]>@mhoye big brother is literally taking notes

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://beige.party/users/Kierkegaanks/statuses/116409896016332986https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://beige.party/users/Kierkegaanks/statuses/116409896016332986Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:27:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:14:25 GMT]]>@mhoye I am Saja from Gaza, Palestine 🇵🇸. Please follow my page and support my story

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/ap/users/116331531079170149/statuses/116409844711643923https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/ap/users/116331531079170149/statuses/116409844711643923Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:14:25 GMT