<![CDATA[“We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”]]>“We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/6a644353-b44c-4715-953f-9eeefb85cf41/we-re-sending-kids-to-school-to-memorize-facts-that-chatgpt-can-retrieve-in-under-a-second.RSS for NodeSat, 10 Oct 2026 22:10:52 GMTFri, 09 Oct 2026 10:49:06 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 18:08:32 GMT]]>@stux In a world full of useful idiots Körperkultur trumps learning to use your brain.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Navifax/statuses/117412286454062461https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Navifax/statuses/117412286454062461Fri, 09 Oct 2026 18:08:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:59:03 GMT]]>@stux@mstdn.social wait until people notice that it'd be possible to give every child a local text-only copy of most or all of wikipedia that'd work offline and be a lot more useful than LLM shitware on a phone

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://is-a.catinsi.de/notes/as4u33egijsw030dhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://is-a.catinsi.de/notes/as4u33egijsw030dFri, 09 Oct 2026 17:59:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:40:03 GMT]]>@stux Not even why kids go to school, it's not about recalling facts.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/nini/statuses/117412174480079034https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/nini/statuses/117412174480079034Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:40:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:24:44 GMT]]>@Remittancegirl @chaekyung@ieji.de @Turre @A_denie @stux I understand why you don’t wish to see it, I don’t either, but please don’t confuse exhaustion & urgency with malice (and possibly poor translation).

I don’t know enough about @chaekyung@mastodon.cloud (or any relationship she may have with @Turre ) to assign motivation. The opening certainly could have been handled better for a broad audience.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/ap/users/115979403618848107/statuses/117412114263702584https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/ap/users/115979403618848107/statuses/117412114263702584Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:24:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:19:23 GMT]]>@chaekyung@ieji. Is English a second language for you, Yoon? Because from where I sit (native English speaker and 40+ years as a software engineer who worked on a predictive text application in 1978, yes 1978), it appears you are failing to understand conversational English because LLM text output is absolutely weighted randomness aka “luck.” If so, I’m happy to cut you some slack.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://phpc.social/users/cxj/statuses/117412093203348509https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://phpc.social/users/cxj/statuses/117412093203348509Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:19:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:18:39 GMT]]>@stux

I like memorizing facts, formulas, steps (like we do for algorithms). It makes understanding things that are based on those facts faster and smoother, because I don’t have to context switch.

Also, I wish I had memorized more song lyrics, to combat the mondegreens in my head when a song invariably gets looped in my head.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/astroPug/statuses/117412090305417370https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/astroPug/statuses/117412090305417370Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:18:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:13:28 GMT]]>@stux sadly chatgpt learns false information the internet and tells falsehoods

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.me.uk/ap/users/116159614703655859/statuses/117412069929747060https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.me.uk/ap/users/116159614703655859/statuses/117412069929747060Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:13:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:00:24 GMT]]>@chaekyung @Turre @A_denie @stux @Remittancegirl

Fascinating…

The key point is still that factuality of LLM output is correlational, not causational.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.community/users/slotos/statuses/117412018556295914https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.community/users/slotos/statuses/117412018556295914Fri, 09 Oct 2026 17:00:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:52:49 GMT]]>@stux Actually it can't retrieve those facts in under a second. Oftentimes you get "Thinking..." or something like it for a while, and then a response. And the response may be wrong.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/aristarchusnull/statuses/117411988750679047https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/aristarchusnull/statuses/117411988750679047Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:52:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:52:28 GMT]]>@stux This is EXACTLY the problem with so-called AI getting anywhere near the education system.

Learning and knowledge are not just the accumulation of the tokens we use to represent facts. They are a whole-body *practice* that is integral to an individual functioning as part of the human collective. And if we don't *practice* that, we have nothing, exactly the same as not moving and feeding and using our bodies ends up with us ... not being able to move and use our bodies so well at all.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/johannab/statuses/117411987324828529https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/johannab/statuses/117411987324828529Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:52:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:35:52 GMT]]>@Remittancegirl @blotosmetek @stux What happens when the grid goes down and/or loss of internet access?
A lot of helpless, hopelessly stupid people who can't function.

I have purposefully learned manual, low tech ways of making things:

Handsewing, non-powered woodworking, knitting, spinning, weaving, and handwriting notes*. I don't need a calculator because I can still do math on paper (adding long lists of numbers does get checked with a calculator).

*Due to the way my brain works, I can write significantly faster than I can type.

So, friends, while the adle-brained sit in the dark, I shall continue on.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/c_merriweather/statuses/117411922093463903https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/c_merriweather/statuses/117411922093463903Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:35:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:26:53 GMT]]>@cshlan I cannot see the original post because the poster has blocked me.
I think they equated the taught skill of memorisation with all rote learning. Maybe they had a very bad experience with it.

@ariarhythmic @stux

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/Remittancegirl/statuses/117411886785947053https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/Remittancegirl/statuses/117411886785947053Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:26:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:24:16 GMT]]>@ManWhoTalksToHisHand THis. so much! @stux

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/Remittancegirl/statuses/117411876463129903https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/Remittancegirl/statuses/117411876463129903Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:24:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:24:06 GMT]]>@ariarhythmic @Remittancegirl @stux
So you're calling to end all learning?

Or is there nuance to your argument like what you're missing in the rest of the thread?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115957489871019981/statuses/117411875797604707https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115957489871019981/statuses/117411875797604707Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:24:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:16:39 GMT]]>@dalias
I hear what you're saying and there was definitely an element of gatekeeping. It can be both though, especially for physics, which, not *widely* understood. I tend to trust in crowdsourcing myself but I'm not sure most of my professors would have been sharing conspiracy theories on Facebook.. any large enough group is varied enough to have different motivations.

@landelare @stux

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mendeddrum.org/users/econads/statuses/117411846538814613https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mendeddrum.org/users/econads/statuses/117411846538814613Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:16:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:07:16 GMT]]>@stux @briankrebs ChatGPT does NOT retrieve facts. It generates “fact shaped responses”

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/lorimolson/statuses/117411809621615202https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/lorimolson/statuses/117411809621615202Fri, 09 Oct 2026 16:07:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:52:17 GMT]]>@chaekyung @Remittancegirl @Turre @A_denie @stux

We are supposed to be friends here. If you can't be kind you should go back to twitter.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/simagick/statuses/117411750717616817https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/simagick/statuses/117411750717616817Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:52:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:50:31 GMT]]>@stux Aside from multiplication tables and maybe poetry and drama, I don't think US schools have actually required rote memorization in generations, aside from a few reactionary teachers trying to make a stupid point.

Even in the 80s, we were being taught how to use Boolean logic in digital catalog searches and how to use scientific calculators.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/foolishowl/statuses/117411743730814882https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.coop/users/foolishowl/statuses/117411743730814882Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:50:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:39:42 GMT]]>@chaekyung @Turre @A_denie @stux @Remittancegirl LLMs are not trained using facts, they are trained using text, and text is not facts. LLMs can infer facts about how text usually works, but not facts about the world.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/ahltorp/statuses/117411701220572546https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/ahltorp/statuses/117411701220572546Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:39:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:15:17 GMT]]>@stux astonishing how many people have apparently long derided learning and thinking, and were wholly relieved when a personal 'thinking machine' that knows everything finally arrived.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/theruran/statuses/117411605190306637https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/theruran/statuses/117411605190306637Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:15:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:14:10 GMT]]>@stux @Remittancegirl @chaekyung @Turre @A_denie oh delusionary bullshit rants get well deserved blocks

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://beige.party/users/Kierkegaanks/statuses/117411600787161143https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://beige.party/users/Kierkegaanks/statuses/117411600787161143Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:14:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:12:18 GMT]]>@stux related

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://has.siktir.in/users/gurkan/statuses/01M4GKHR6F88JA5A97DKKJGCQRhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://has.siktir.in/users/gurkan/statuses/01M4GKHR6F88JA5A97DKKJGCQRFri, 09 Oct 2026 15:12:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:09:25 GMT]]>@chaekyung

It may be plain wrong.

But your appetite and enjoyment of shaming another person is ugly.

I do not wish to see it.

@Turre @A_denie @stux

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/Remittancegirl/statuses/117411582125593911https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/Remittancegirl/statuses/117411582125593911Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:09:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.” on Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:08:53 GMT]]>@alpacamale @Remittancegirl @stux "But teacher, when are we ever going to use this stuff in real life?"

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.io/users/bjnord/statuses/117411580082222659https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.io/users/bjnord/statuses/117411580082222659Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:08:53 GMT