<![CDATA[I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human?]]>I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? Your audience isn't a phone.

I know I've said this a lot, but I think about the NHS digital design standards all the time, about that presentation where their lead designer talked about finding agent strings for devices like the Playstation Vita and Opera for the Nintendo DS in their logs. About how the NHS site had to work for those people too, no matter what.

https://wandering.shop/@fugueish/116695409129543894

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/77441ea5-8971-4e73-a6aa-c527195fcee1/i-get-the-snark-but-page-has-to-load-in-x-time-on-expensive-device-in-expensive-city-...-where-is-the-humanRSS for NodeThu, 11 Jun 2026 23:12:37 GMTFri, 05 Jun 2026 16:09:21 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 06:31:31 GMT]]>@mhoye@cosocial.ca Like let me just say this: if you make any mission-critical public service pages that don't need to do any handling of sensitive information, it's perfectly okay to have them load even on older devices AND not have HTTPS. For instance http://b3k.me/b3k.htm can run on fucking Gopher if you point an HTML5 browser at a Gopher server (I'm running that on SDF's) or even an intranet or even offline from a file or data URL. It can run on P2P browsers like Beaker, and could even run on the Tor network if I put it there (although I shudder to think of what the Dark Web would do with it, but I don't have to think of it because a certain troll already saw fit to use it as a way to obfuscate illegal data and told everyone how to on his blog on WordPress, so that's why I'm not going to be shipping a Tor version anytime soon) for some reason. It can run from synced cloud folders. It can run from a Mass Storage Device, Wii with HTTP, ESP32 with HTTP, a fucking vape, an RPi, Copyparty, FTP, or anything you can think of, so long as it's HTML5. But it has no issue on shit like Basilisk XPMod, PaleMoon, and InterWebPPC. So your ancient Macs and PCs can run it. Also it can run on Hurd and BSDs. Or Rhapsody's server. Maybe even Win9x and Win2K via Kernel shenanigans. LisaWorks can also host HTML so this code could be delivered from an Apple Lisa. Any of WindowsG Electronics' old PCs and "Universal Serial Bussies" could def host this damn thing. Some can even directly run it. So have fun with that! Also this code can fight censorship.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5jhfc4rgac0620https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5jhfc4rgac0620Sat, 06 Jun 2026 06:31:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:39:10 GMT]]>@mhoye@cosocial.ca My friends in poverty can confirm this is a real thing.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5hm433rgac05xthttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5hm433rgac05xtSat, 06 Jun 2026 05:39:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:38:47 GMT]]>@mhoye@cosocial.ca I think your quote IS real.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5hlmbargac05xrhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5hlmbargac05xrSat, 06 Jun 2026 05:38:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:38:34 GMT]]>@mhoye@cosocial.ca Also axing legacy shit IS an equity issue.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5hlc7vrgac05xphttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5hlc7vrgac05xpSat, 06 Jun 2026 05:38:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:38:10 GMT]]>@mhoye@cosocial.ca Joke's on you: I target older HTML5. Like my JS doesn't use shit like let of my own volition.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5hktmxrgac05xnhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/an5hktmxrgac05xnSat, 06 Jun 2026 05:38:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:02:26 GMT]]>@mhoye I read the OP as strongly implying that if someone’s site doesn’t even work well for people with the fastest devices in a place with ubiquitous good connectivity, then it’s so far from working well for people with crappy devices & marginal connectivity that they need to have a good, hard look at themselves

I think you might be basically on the same side, just using different words

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/itgrrl/statuses/116701406621244235https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/itgrrl/statuses/116701406621244235Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:02:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 03:44:42 GMT]]>@ryanprior @mhoye Like, to be specific, the thing you mentioned happens the first time.

The thing I mentioned...happens *every* time you use the same device.

See, for example, having to accommodate a USB-Micro-B or USB-Mini-B port for a charger, or an iPhone charging port; those are always more harder than "I think I need to flip the USB-A connector twice, maybe thrice, before it'll fit in.".

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116701100935943324https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116701100935943324Sat, 06 Jun 2026 03:44:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 03:41:57 GMT]]>@ryanprior @mhoye Oh, I know that is what was necessary - my point, however, is that you reduced the amount of time one spent trying to find the right port, or the right adapter, for a given cable to connect a device *to* the PC.

Especially as the number of USB ports on a given motherboard increased, and you no longer had to play "How do I get this cable to *this specific port*", and can now focus on "How do I get my computer to recognize the thing that is connected by the port?".

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116701090147425171https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116701090147425171Sat, 06 Jun 2026 03:41:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 03:30:32 GMT]]>@AT1ST @mhoye this is the past through rose colored glasses. It was never all so simple back then. For the first maybe ten years, the normal thing you'd expect when you plugged a USB device into a Windows computer was that it would bring up a wizard to find the appropriate driver, which would fail, and you'd have to search the internet for "[name and brand of thing] USB driver," download and run an exe file, and pray.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ryanprior/statuses/116701045244482974https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ryanprior/statuses/116701045244482974Sat, 06 Jun 2026 03:30:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 01:51:39 GMT]]>@linc @mhoye I miss my Vita!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/UP8/statuses/116700656372517058https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/UP8/statuses/116700656372517058Sat, 06 Jun 2026 01:51:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:35:52 GMT]]>@mhoye nodds in agreement

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/ap/users/116655881384112498/statuses/116700122479871971https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/ap/users/116655881384112498/statuses/116700122479871971Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:35:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:31:12 GMT]]>@mhoye also the GOV UK Design system generally is really a great resource! https://design-system.service.gov.uk/get-started/

Also check out @beeps write-up on the design of the "exit this page" feature to keep users at risk safe: https://beeps.website/blog/2024-10-09-why-govuk-exit-this-page-doesnt-use-escape/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://scholar.social/users/gedankenstuecke/statuses/116700104114622562https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://scholar.social/users/gedankenstuecke/statuses/116700104114622562Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:31:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:25:58 GMT]]>@mhoye IMHO we need to be intolerant against bloatware, adware and abkeist webdesign in general!

https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/116700073951828009

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/ap/users/116655881384112498/statuses/116700083522145370https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/ap/users/116655881384112498/statuses/116700083522145370Fri, 05 Jun 2026 23:25:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 22:55:57 GMT]]>@kboyd @mhoye Yet another reason to depend on exactly 0 external sources, especially tracking/advertising and keep JS to a minimum

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/30p87/statuses/116699965521762428https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/30p87/statuses/116699965521762428Fri, 05 Jun 2026 22:55:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 22:01:07 GMT]]>@multisn8 @mhoye https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/01/the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-simple-html/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.radio/users/m0rpk/statuses/116699749887357960https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.radio/users/m0rpk/statuses/116699749887357960Fri, 05 Jun 2026 22:01:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 21:50:18 GMT]]>@sparrows @mhoye This is another extremely good point. Sometimes people use the system in ways other than we anticipate because they have people in their lives that are inspecting the ways it's normally used.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.fixermark.com/users/mark/statuses/116699707358114159https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.fixermark.com/users/mark/statuses/116699707358114159Fri, 05 Jun 2026 21:50:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 21:13:48 GMT]]>@smitty @babe then print it on a poster and hang it in your cube. Nobody can stop you.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116699563877881418https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116699563877881418Fri, 05 Jun 2026 21:13:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 21:01:55 GMT]]>@mhoye I've never bookmarked a toot before, but I bookmarked this one.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nantucketlit/statuses/116699517090703414https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nantucketlit/statuses/116699517090703414Fri, 05 Jun 2026 21:01:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:13:16 GMT]]>@mhoye @babe I want this on a poster I can hang in my cube.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://dice.camp/users/smitty/statuses/116699325816556549https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://dice.camp/users/smitty/statuses/116699325816556549Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:13:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:00:19 GMT]]>@mhoye I'm reminded of a StackExchange question where someone was asking why USB 1.0 caught on so popularly when it was slower than a lot of cables at the time?

My comment in a thread back then was essentially "It reduced the amount of time someone was looking for the right cable to start the process, which meant they could take longer waiting on the end result, because they knew the cable and cable port would work.".

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116699274898124951https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/AT1ST/statuses/116699274898124951Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:00:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 19:27:29 GMT]]>@mhoye I had a forum user who was a Buddhist in a monastery using a PS Vita. I still think about them.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://phpc.social/users/linc/statuses/116699145801982909https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://phpc.social/users/linc/statuses/116699145801982909Fri, 05 Jun 2026 19:27:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 19:24:55 GMT]]>@DRoss @multisn8 @mhoye @Edent

Not that I want to link to the platform, but an example can be found here: https://x.com/TheRealNooshu/status/1577219757342064640

Search "" and "@TheRealNooshu" for others if you are interested.

Now off for a shower, I feel dirty visiting that site! 🤣

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/TheRealNooshu/statuses/116699135698539036https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/TheRealNooshu/statuses/116699135698539036Fri, 05 Jun 2026 19:24:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 19:08:31 GMT]]>@beandreams @mhoye Or even if you have something like Starlink which is not metered for surcharges you still have to worry about traffic-shaping penalizing you for transferring too much during peak periods.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://code4lib.social/users/acdha/statuses/116699071223545056https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://code4lib.social/users/acdha/statuses/116699071223545056Fri, 05 Jun 2026 19:08:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I get the snark, but "page has to load in x time on expensive device in expensive city"... where is the human? on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 19:07:59 GMT]]>@steevmi1 I think the funniest part in a sad way is that the exact same thing repeats.

Back then IE won in the end and all the feedback was basically responded with "sorry, we don't care about your stupid Linux box with some browser no one has ever heard of".

At some point people woke up from the IE spell only to repeat the same problem, with the same exact mentality. Everyone has Chrome, we don't care about your non-standard setup that would happily eat valid HTML5.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://some.apz.fi/ap/users/116031884338016573/statuses/116699069089233429https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://some.apz.fi/ap/users/116031884338016573/statuses/116699069089233429Fri, 05 Jun 2026 19:07:59 GMT