<![CDATA[Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research.]]>Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. Northern Europe was overrun by plague-spreading steppe nomads less than 5000 years ago, causing an almost complete population replacement.

It’s a 1492 event. Everybody knows that us Northern Europeans aren’t the original inhabitants of North America. But we aren’t even the original inhabitants of Northern Europe.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/7ea41f9c-ac40-41b1-b82e-49a9c61b36a9/here-s-a-reminder-about-one-of-the-most-important-results-of-the-past-fourteen-years-of-ancient-dna-research.RSS for NodeTue, 28 Jul 2026 00:59:07 GMTSat, 18 Jul 2026 14:50:30 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 12:20:35 GMT]]>@NatureMC @jk @mrundkvist Indeed, the claim and interpretation are quite significant, so one paper will not be the final say on this.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://helvede.net/users/tokeriis/statuses/116946608832060423https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://helvede.net/users/tokeriis/statuses/116946608832060423Sun, 19 Jul 2026 12:20:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:40:42 GMT]]>@ohir
The Corded Ware folks about 2800 would have been absolutely mystified by urban, literate Hittite society. 😁

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://archaeo.social/users/mrundkvist/statuses/116946451974022520https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://archaeo.social/users/mrundkvist/statuses/116946451974022520Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:40:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:32:37 GMT]]>@violanders Thanks. Sounds like a parallel to colonists bringing unknown diseases to indigenous people e.g. in Northern America. @mrundkvist

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/NatureMC/statuses/116946420220400180https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/NatureMC/statuses/116946420220400180Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:32:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:29:28 GMT]]>@jk @tokeriis @mrundkvist Thanks to both of you for the informations! That's the fascinating part of science: we don't get answers for eternity and it needs more research.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/NatureMC/statuses/116946407803845863https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/NatureMC/statuses/116946407803845863Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:29:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:26:17 GMT]]>@mrundkvist
Neither do I. The origins of Hittites as far as I had read through my interests in the Hittite's journey phenomenon still are a mystery. And I came to those interests by the Code of Nesilim path. We know it is a compilation of civil and criminal law as observed by society then – not a some genius lawmaker's work. It hints at much older culture and we know that this distinct culture had moved in. While the earliest record of the Code of Nesilim dates to the Old Kingdom period about 1650 B.C., its tablets refer to still earlier versions.

So I got that fleeing thought about connection between the possible almost-extinction of North Europe’s population and the Hittites’ still unexplained choice of Hattusa locality. Harsh, but not that much for the people accustomed to Northern/Central Europe climate then. There is a ~500y gap, but this gap is to the written records we have, not to the Hittites people moving in a new area.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/115995911458254842/statuses/116946395301729694https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/115995911458254842/statuses/116946395301729694Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:26:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:01:08 GMT]]>@Iwillyeah@mastodon.ie @datarama@hachyderm.io @raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie @mrundkvist@archaeo.social The core issue is that prioritizing short‑term personal comfort over long‑term family formation has real demographic consequences. When a society consistently under‑reproduces, it faces an existential threat — not metaphorically, but mathematically. This isn’t about putting any group ‘on top’; it’s about the basic requirements for a society to survive and develop.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://misskey.ellidaf.ru/notes/aov91sigt2z0006phttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://misskey.ellidaf.ru/notes/aov91sigt2z0006pSun, 19 Jul 2026 11:01:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:56:21 GMT]]>@paul @datarama @raymaccarthy @mrundkvist I'm going to ask you to reflect on the convenience of a world view that puts your demographic at the top of the pile and requires others to forgo self-determination in favour of your demographic's authority. It's telling that the minute women get choices, they choose personal quality of life over reproduction, but it's equally telling that Conservatives frame that choice as a literal existential threat.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/Iwillyeah/statuses/116946277615276906https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/Iwillyeah/statuses/116946277615276906Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:56:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:38:38 GMT]]>@MargaretD @mrundkvist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_We_Are_and_How_We_Got_Here

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/fazalmajid/statuses/116946207933997128https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/fazalmajid/statuses/116946207933997128Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:38:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:35:45 GMT]]>@mrundkvist Not in Sardinia, they are still 62% Early European Farmer in ancestry.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/fazalmajid/statuses/116946196565108381https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/fazalmajid/statuses/116946196565108381Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:35:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:30:07 GMT]]>@Iwillyeah@mastodon.ie @datarama@hachyderm.io @raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie @mrundkvist@archaeo.social The problem is that what you call ‘life’ isn’t really life. Life means development — and for that, a family needs to have and raise enough children (at least three). That requires teamwork with clearly defined roles and responsibilities. A structured, cooperative family model.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://misskey.ellidaf.ru/notes/aov7xwk7t2z00060https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://misskey.ellidaf.ru/notes/aov7xwk7t2z00060Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:30:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:02:30 GMT]]>@mrundkvist many thanks!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/urig/statuses/116946065860525661https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/urig/statuses/116946065860525661Sun, 19 Jul 2026 10:02:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 09:04:05 GMT]]>@paul @datarama @raymaccarthy @mrundkvist I am so relieved to hear I don't live in a patriarchal society anymore. Or at least I would be, if my children and I weren't dead 😒

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/Iwillyeah/statuses/116945836145517459https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/Iwillyeah/statuses/116945836145517459Sun, 19 Jul 2026 09:04:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 08:44:21 GMT]]>@tokeriis @NatureMC @mrundkvist

Possible, but not yet scientific consensus. The paper got a critical reply and the authors wrote a rebuttal to that reply.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://nfdi.social/users/jk/statuses/116945758583044980https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://nfdi.social/users/jk/statuses/116945758583044980Sun, 19 Jul 2026 08:44:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 06:23:26 GMT]]>@Iwillyeah@mastodon.ie @datarama@hachyderm.io @raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie @mrundkvist@archaeo.social "Patriarchal" in Russian means a traditional family, where the man is the head and the woman's primary role is to be a good wife and mother. Experience shows that only such families and peoples survive and leave sufficient offspring.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://misskey.ellidaf.ru/notes/aouz4o4pt2z0004shttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://misskey.ellidaf.ru/notes/aouz4o4pt2z0004sSun, 19 Jul 2026 06:23:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 05:17:52 GMT]]>@ohir
They aren't identifiable until 1000 years after the Corded Ware expansion. But since they spoke Indo-European, they probably had the same steppe ancestry. I'm not aware of the Hittites originating from west of the Bosphorus?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://archaeo.social/users/mrundkvist/statuses/116944946640895511https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://archaeo.social/users/mrundkvist/statuses/116944946640895511Sun, 19 Jul 2026 05:17:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 05:11:01 GMT]]>@urig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Steppe_Herders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://archaeo.social/users/mrundkvist/statuses/116944919673864575https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://archaeo.social/users/mrundkvist/statuses/116944919673864575Sun, 19 Jul 2026 05:11:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:44:25 GMT]]>@dnavinci I think my parents looked a bit askance at sending me to live with a childless couple, but of course they were thousands of miles away and the only other option was to send me back home (and forfeit the exchange agency's fee, which IIRC was comparable to private-school tuition at the time). So two interesting months in Turku and then eight rather less pleasant months in an isolated lakefront house in rural north Savonia.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/wollman/statuses/116944107308125858https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/wollman/statuses/116944107308125858Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:44:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:33:17 GMT]]>@wollman
To be honest, I have always really worried about exchanging students to rural areas...
I think best case scenario it's a recipe for an underwhelming experience.
Worst case is uhhh... Pretty bad.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://genomic.social/users/dnavinci/statuses/116944063536040425https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://genomic.social/users/dnavinci/statuses/116944063536040425Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:33:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:24:17 GMT]]>@dnavinci When I went back to Finland in 2017 I took a day-trip to Turku. I did not (do not) feel the need to see Kuopio again. (I *am* going to Tampere next March for the figure skating, which at least I've never been to before so at least if it's a disappointment I can say I didn't know.)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/wollman/statuses/116944028124069213https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/wollman/statuses/116944028124069213Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:24:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:12:14 GMT]]>@wollman
Okay, yeah, Kartula is basically republican Kuopio, so that makes sense
@mrundkvist

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://genomic.social/users/dnavinci/statuses/116943980761173024https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://genomic.social/users/dnavinci/statuses/116943980761173024Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:12:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:00:14 GMT]]>@dnavinci @mrundkvist Syvänniemi was the nearest village, at the time I believe it was part of the council of Karttula; I had to take a long rural bus trip every day to the lukio in Karttula. I lived with a childless couple in a pretty isolated house on the lake, a far cry from my first placement in Turku (one of the family members there took a disliking to me and had the agency move me). The couple both worked in Kuopio proper. The man was of Estonian ancestry.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/wollman/statuses/116943933568821373https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/wollman/statuses/116943933568821373Sun, 19 Jul 2026 01:00:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 00:49:47 GMT]]>@wollman
I'm assuming that's Nilsiä?

Something about that story worries me.
1. You were unhappy (that's obvious)
2. Taking food on the train, especially outside the dining car would be viewed as pretty rude.
Kalakukko seems like an odd parting gift because it's polarizing (like Mämmi) even to the locals.
Might have been a super polite way to be mean?

Sorry for whatever happened.
@mrundkvist

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://genomic.social/users/dnavinci/statuses/116943892471968650https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://genomic.social/users/dnavinci/statuses/116943892471968650Sun, 19 Jul 2026 00:49:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sat, 18 Jul 2026 22:33:49 GMT]]>@mrundkvist @dnavinci When I was an exchange student 37 years ago, I lived in (a place which after municipal amalgamation is now a part of) Kuopio. When I left, they gave me a big hunk of kalakukko to take on the night train down to Helsinki. It would never had occurred to me to bake whole fish into a loaf of bread before. Maybe my only good memory of that year.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/wollman/statuses/116943357834604469https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/wollman/statuses/116943357834604469Sat, 18 Jul 2026 22:33:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. on Sat, 18 Jul 2026 22:00:13 GMT]]>@mrundkvist and it will happen again

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/felipeB/statuses/116943225704896689https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/felipeB/statuses/116943225704896689Sat, 18 Jul 2026 22:00:13 GMT