<![CDATA[Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand?]]>Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/82292cdc-66f2-4e5b-a485-85d71c1d5336/is-there-anybody-out-there-who-still-wants-to-learn-programming-by-handRSS for NodeTue, 15 Sep 2026 20:01:30 GMTSat, 12 Sep 2026 16:41:44 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 07:36:50 GMT]]>@mttaggart
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]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.data.coop/users/niels/statuses/117273907046745008https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.data.coop/users/niels/statuses/117273907046745008Tue, 15 Sep 2026 07:36:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 06:41:24 GMT]]>@sparklepanic @mttaggart It's a hard road, but that's the only one that will allow you to understand and own your code. Congrats for choosing the hard but wise road!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/doragasu/statuses/117273689128882030https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/doragasu/statuses/117273689128882030Tue, 15 Sep 2026 06:41:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 05:31:28 GMT]]>@sparklepanic @mttaggart Excellent choices!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.stevesworld.co/users/steter/statuses/117273414094433541https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.stevesworld.co/users/steter/statuses/117273414094433541Tue, 15 Sep 2026 05:31:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 04:36:54 GMT]]>@sparklepanic @mttaggart Kudos for wanting to really learn how to program. Effective C is an excellent book, but it's not an introduction, so if you read something there that you don't immediately understand, just give it some time, it'll make sense eventually 😊

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/sten/statuses/117273199532123125https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/sten/statuses/117273199532123125Tue, 15 Sep 2026 04:36:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 04:34:00 GMT]]>@sparklepanic @mttaggart @glyph Al's book is great, you will be served well by it. And learning with Al is way the hell better than learning with "AI"

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/SnoopJ/statuses/117273188116468081https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/SnoopJ/statuses/117273188116468081Tue, 15 Sep 2026 04:34:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 04:08:03 GMT]]>@mttaggart TBH I still use AI for some coding projects, but I really only like doing it when I know what it's doing — which requires learning programming by hand. It just feels so much more fulfilling if you know what you're doing!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/pirategoddess/statuses/117273086103227698https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/pirategoddess/statuses/117273086103227698Tue, 15 Sep 2026 04:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 03:56:36 GMT]]>@mttaggart as a healthcare professional, non-programmer, linux user, i absolutely want to learn C and Python the hard way so i can write software and eventually contribute slop-free code to open source projects that are committed to human written projects

im getting started with "Learn C Programming and OOP with Dr. Chuck [feat. classic book by Kernighan and Ritchie]" on YouTube, and the books "Effective C" and "Automate the Boring Stuff with Python"

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/sparklepanic/statuses/117273041061753329https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/sparklepanic/statuses/117273041061753329Tue, 15 Sep 2026 03:56:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sun, 13 Sep 2026 09:40:06 GMT]]>@mttaggart Not really, but learning computers and communication technology gets you exposed to a lot of it. So it just kind of snook in and now I hate Java(Script), love Erlang and think LLMs are brain cancer.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/aanee/statuses/117263067155176241https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.online/users/aanee/statuses/117263067155176241Sun, 13 Sep 2026 09:40:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sun, 13 Sep 2026 06:54:27 GMT]]>@mttaggart I've never used AI to write my programs for me. The point for me is the learning, not the finished product. "By hand" is the only way I know how. I realise that I'm in a privileged position this way.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/sten/statuses/117262415792058222https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/sten/statuses/117262415792058222Sun, 13 Sep 2026 06:54:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:49:37 GMT]]>@mttaggart
I did. or wanted to & scripting refresher, but the previous 4 years has kicked my ass

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/cyanautik/statuses/117261217119689560https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/cyanautik/statuses/117261217119689560Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:49:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:26:10 GMT]]>@mainec

Especially if you want to do graphics programming, like for game development. To do that, you need to know your trigonometry and whatnot.

@meltedcheese @mttaggart

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117261124911558202https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117261124911558202Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:26:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:21:41 GMT]]>@darthnull

Fun fact: you totally can write CGI scripts in Rust. I know because I recently did!

You don't even need a library. Everything is pre-parsed and stuffed into environment variables for you by the web server.

And, well, it's Rust. It starts up fast. So that shaves off a bunch of the performance overhead that CGI usually suffers from. It's still slow, but a great deal less so than your average CGI script.

@drwho @mttaggart

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117261107286592946https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117261107286592946Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:21:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:14:09 GMT]]>@d_rift

Good. That's where the true power lies.

If you vibe code, you're only as good as your bot, and you can only write what your bot knows how to write.

If you write the code yourself, you can do *anything*.

@mttaggart

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117261077698242319https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/argv_minus_one/statuses/117261077698242319Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:14:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:53:04 GMT]]>@mttaggart And also if you already know how the spacing is supposed to be as well as the syntax then if you do use an AI agent to help optimize your code you know exactly what prompts to use like a Jedi Master.😜

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wehavecookies.social/users/glitterbean/statuses/117260758832159723https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wehavecookies.social/users/glitterbean/statuses/117260758832159723Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:53:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:49:28 GMT]]>@glitterbean Mine too!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/mttaggart/statuses/117260744714250293https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/mttaggart/statuses/117260744714250293Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:49:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:47:26 GMT]]>@mttaggart Python really changed my life. Nothing can replace that kind of detailed understanding of language.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wehavecookies.social/users/glitterbean/statuses/117260736695088165https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wehavecookies.social/users/glitterbean/statuses/117260736695088165Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:47:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:46:30 GMT]]>@darthnull @mttaggart Gotcha. That was a serious question, by the way, and your answer was equally serious and helpful.

And, agreed.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/drwho/statuses/117260733003824180https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/drwho/statuses/117260733003824180Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:46:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:40:33 GMT]]>@mttaggart I'm glad I started out that way at the very least 😉

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wehavecookies.social/users/glitterbean/statuses/117260709658176258https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wehavecookies.social/users/glitterbean/statuses/117260709658176258Sat, 12 Sep 2026 23:40:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:31:30 GMT]]>@mttaggart I’m so keen on it that I even write my pictures by hand.
https://github.com/TRezendes/SVGarden

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/TheADHDM/statuses/117260438097640583https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/TheADHDM/statuses/117260438097640583Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:31:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:24:18 GMT]]>@meltedcheese @darthnull @mttaggart thx for the hard mute auggestion

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/hrbrmstr/statuses/117260409784026364https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/hrbrmstr/statuses/117260409784026364Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:24:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:12:01 GMT]]>@mttaggart

Doubtful these days. Fewer and fewer even hear of it now, so why learn?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/SpaceLifeForm/statuses/117260361499726421https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/SpaceLifeForm/statuses/117260361499726421Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:12:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:06:43 GMT]]>I'm advancing my C++ skills as well! I want to master a programming language to enhance my skill set beyond Linux system administration ☺️

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/pythonlinuxrust/statuses/117260340648165178https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/pythonlinuxrust/statuses/117260340648165178Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:06:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 21:14:09 GMT]]>@mttaggart I’m over 50 and never learned to code but recently have thought of learning Lua just for a laugh and to keep my brain fresh.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.acc.sunet.se/users/toxy/statuses/117260133934404883https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.acc.sunet.se/users/toxy/statuses/117260133934404883Sat, 12 Sep 2026 21:14:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is there anybody out there who still wants to learn programming by hand? on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 21:00:52 GMT]]>@drwho @mttaggart Back-end server, front-end display. Could do server side rendering but everything is client side now so… also that’d be a new challenge.

Problem I’ve had the few times I’ve started is they’re all a royal pain in the ass, documentation is terrible, and require so much yak shaving to get started that it’s months before I feel like trying again.

Perl scripts in cgi-bin was so much easier. 🙂

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/darthnull/statuses/117260081718982955https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/darthnull/statuses/117260081718982955Sat, 12 Sep 2026 21:00:52 GMT