<![CDATA[Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time.]]>Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time.

What anyone on that team says they love or care about or want does not change anything they're going to do.

Get Firefox.

Yes, they're thrashing. Yes, the AI stuff is bullshit nobody wants.

Get Firefox, add uBlock Origin.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2595287/ublock-origin-is-officially-dead-for-chrome-but-ad-blockers-live-on.html

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/8f6bba4b-7718-4a35-bde5-c57b0a3fd987/whatever-they-say-about-loving-the-web-the-chrome-team-will-choose-google-s-ad-business-over-everything-else-web-standards-user-agency-security-privacy-safety-interoperability-literally-anything-and-everything-else-every-single-time.RSS for NodeFri, 12 Jun 2026 00:29:31 GMTThu, 11 Jun 2026 13:04:30 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 18:17:10 GMT]]>@mingistech @mhoye As attested by the many websites who runs awful in Safari or outright doesn't work, because they were only tested on Chrome.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://helvede.net/users/tokeriis/statuses/116732843167449078https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://helvede.net/users/tokeriis/statuses/116732843167449078Thu, 11 Jun 2026 18:17:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:53:21 GMT]]>@tezoatlipoca @mhoye I use Confluence in Firefox for work and have had only minor issues over the last 5ish years. The minor issue was with the old editor, but the new one works just fine.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/ClickyMcTicker/statuses/116732749521793937https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/ClickyMcTicker/statuses/116732749521793937Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:53:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:28:57 GMT]]>@mhoye There's merit to supporting Mullvad Browser and the Tor network, while Zen Browser may be doing the best from the Firefox stages of failure.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115486547681086524/statuses/116732653550903419https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115486547681086524/statuses/116732653550903419Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:28:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:20:46 GMT]]>@mhoye Niche esoterica could be less niche and esoteric ๐Ÿ™‹

@brnrd @dzwiedziu
And yes, I think Konform Browser significantly improving on some reservations you alluded to with other family members for those with more discerning nose ;^^

https://konform-browser.codeberg.page/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://techhub.social/ap/users/116053761579543918/statuses/116732621378230885https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://techhub.social/ap/users/116053761579543918/statuses/116732621378230885Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:20:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:16:02 GMT]]>@mhoye I use LibreWolf personally, and it's great. "mozilla is trashing" undersells their turn to evil.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ohai.social/ap/users/115628614496668967/statuses/116732602780643649https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ohai.social/ap/users/115628614496668967/statuses/116732602780643649Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:16:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:41:22 GMT]]>@brnrd
I understand, and I see that the releases (last four) can be 1-2 days late.

Yet are the other possibilities or something concrete (still understanding that the bar is and should be high).

OTOH reported myself Librewolf's site certificate expiry.

BTW: uBlock has a โ€œmediumโ€ mode (still uMatrix had a nicer interface IMHO): https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode

@mhoye

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116732466448074206https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116732466448074206Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:41:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:28:37 GMT]]>https://codeberg.org/librewolf/source#librewolf-overview

CC: @hsza@social.tudbut.de @mhoye@cosocial.ca @folix@firefish.fedibikes.de
]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://snac.haijo.eu/Haijo7/p/1781195317.324243https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://snac.haijo.eu/Haijo7/p/1781195317.324243Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:28:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:18:11 GMT]]>@dzwiedziu @mhoye size of organization, slower updates, the updater itself, release process, team opsec, ...

I tolerate a lot of friction to get a safer browser experience (Temporary containers = more clicking reject more often logging in, uMatrix = often adjusting permissions, ...).
I have yet to find a good way to timely disable the bad features in Firefox

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bsd.network/users/brnrd/statuses/116732375312750813https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bsd.network/users/brnrd/statuses/116732375312750813Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:18:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:14:32 GMT]]>@hsza @mhoye @folix You won't be getting any answer because "trust me bro" is all you need ๐Ÿ˜‰

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/librewolf/statuses/116732360943680457https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/librewolf/statuses/116732360943680457Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:14:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:10:05 GMT]]>@mhoye I had a weird moment this morning when renewing my car registration. The Pennsylvania DMV kept telling me that I had to fill out the form that was just asking for my registration number, license plate, and a checkbox agreeing to terms. I double checked the info was correct, checked the box again, and resubmitted. Loop!

So I tried in Chromium and it worked. Not sure if it was uBlock, Privacy Badger, or just Firefox itself, but the DMV is doing something unfriendly.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/linuxandyarn/statuses/116732343428021976https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/linuxandyarn/statuses/116732343428021976Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:10:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:06:42 GMT]]>@joho @mhoye Browsh is just Firefox tho

edit to fix the typo

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://todon.eu/ap/users/115601049471092408/statuses/116732330127869525https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://todon.eu/ap/users/115601049471092408/statuses/116732330127869525Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:06:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:00:00 GMT]]>@jchaven I know, I get it, but we can't be asking people to buy new hardware and learn a new OS just so they can participate in the world safely.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116732303783898829https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116732303783898829Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:00:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:53:56 GMT]]>@mhoye Safari is not chromium based.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.community/users/mingistech/statuses/116732279921440841https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.community/users/mingistech/statuses/116732279921440841Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:53:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:50:33 GMT]]>@mhoye @folix

Just chiming in here to ask for as much detail as you're willing to share. I've been considering LibreWolf and am dismayed to hear that you have such a low opinion of it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/sennoma/statuses/116732266621283457https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://chaos.social/users/sennoma/statuses/116732266621283457Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:50:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:47:31 GMT]]>@mhoye

As much as I'd otherwise hop on the "get Firefox" bandwagon, their engine gets clobbered by most business saass platforms. Try using Firefox for more than 10 minutes with say Atlassian Confluence or Sharepoint and see how that goes -> I had to give up Firefox because we're an Atlassian shop. Yeah, a single page is 97MB (which is a lot of other unrelated wtf questions), but takes 25s to load? sigh.

True, Norwegian Chrome (Vivaldi) follows the manifestV3 uBlock drop, but at least they have their own (less functional) adblock built-in and on by default.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/tezoatlipoca/statuses/116732254741595551https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/tezoatlipoca/statuses/116732254741595551Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:47:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:45:30 GMT]]>https://librewolf.net]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fedicy.us.to/cy/p/1781192731.001438https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fedicy.us.to/cy/p/1781192731.001438Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:45:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:44:32 GMT]]>@mhoye @folix I've been using LibreWolf for a few months now. Can you please provide more detail?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://en.osm.town/ap/users/115702352497105111/statuses/116732242958680452https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://en.osm.town/ap/users/115702352497105111/statuses/116732242958680452Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:44:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:43:59 GMT]]>@mhoye Why is Safari โ€œApple Chrome?โ€

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/chetman/statuses/116732240818443951https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/chetman/statuses/116732240818443951Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:43:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:38:00 GMT]]>@cinebox @mhoye Yeah I feel that should have read 'left-behind grandpa of Chrome' instead. It's definitely its own thing (even if that mostly means it's more broken).

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/marijn/statuses/116732217272960088https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/marijn/statuses/116732217272960088Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:38:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:37:39 GMT]]>@brnrd
What are your reservations? Why โ€œneverโ€?

@mhoye

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116732215942830421https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116732215942830421Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:37:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:35:59 GMT]]>@mhoye @dzwiedziu I feel reservations too.

What are the other options?
I don't have a good feeling about my own ability (or resources) to yeet the bad features into the sun.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bsd.network/users/brnrd/statuses/116732209383294609https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bsd.network/users/brnrd/statuses/116732209383294609Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:35:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:30:54 GMT]]>@skyfaller @mhoye netsurf these days is genuinely a worse experience than just using a text based terminal browser.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://todon.nl/users/einsiedlerspiel/statuses/116732189386590773https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://todon.nl/users/einsiedlerspiel/statuses/116732189386590773Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:30:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:24:24 GMT]]>@mhoye @folix please do provide context for why librewolf is a bad option in your opinion

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.tudbut.de/objects/8e9afbe7-cfbc-48ec-bb22-13250f437960https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.tudbut.de/objects/8e9afbe7-cfbc-48ec-bb22-13250f437960Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:24:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time. on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:23:32 GMT]]>@hsza @folix I haven't worked there in five years and have no reason to change my mind.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116732160409201530https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116732160409201530Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:23:32 GMT