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  3. "The plan is a Russian wish list.

"The plan is a Russian wish list.

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  • wdlindsy@toad.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    "The plan is a Russian wish list. ...

    Not only does this agreement sell out Ukraine and Europe for the benefit of Russia—which attacked Ukraine—it explicitly separates the U.S. from NATO, a long-time goal of Russia’s president Vladimir Putin."

    ~ Heather Cox Richardson

    #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
    /1

    https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-21-2025

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    • wdlindsy@toad.socialW wdlindsy@toad.social

      "The plan is a Russian wish list. ...

      Not only does this agreement sell out Ukraine and Europe for the benefit of Russia—which attacked Ukraine—it explicitly separates the U.S. from NATO, a long-time goal of Russia’s president Vladimir Putin."

      ~ Heather Cox Richardson

      #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
      /1

      https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-21-2025

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      #2

      "This plan, complete with its suggestion that the U.S. is no longer truly a part of NATO but can broker between NATO and Russia, would replace the post–World War II rules-based international order with a new version of an older order."

      #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
      /2

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      • wdlindsy@toad.socialW wdlindsy@toad.social

        "This plan, complete with its suggestion that the U.S. is no longer truly a part of NATO but can broker between NATO and Russia, would replace the post–World War II rules-based international order with a new version of an older order."

        #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
        /2

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        #3

        "In the world before NATO and the other international institutions that were created after World War II, powerful countries dominated smaller countries, which had to do as their powerful neighbors demanded in order to survive."

        #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
        /3

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        • wdlindsy@toad.socialW wdlindsy@toad.social

          "In the world before NATO and the other international institutions that were created after World War II, powerful countries dominated smaller countries, which had to do as their powerful neighbors demanded in order to survive."

          #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
          /3

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          #4

          "Much of the text resembles the maximalist positions Russia held during talks in Istanbul in 2022 when its forces held more of Ukraine, and the slow, grinding military embarrassment of the past three years was still ahead of them. ...

          The 28 leaked points serve two purposes for Moscow."

          ~ Nick Paton Walsh

          #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
          /4

          https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/21/europe/ukraine-russia-trump-peace-analysis-intl

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            "Much of the text resembles the maximalist positions Russia held during talks in Istanbul in 2022 when its forces held more of Ukraine, and the slow, grinding military embarrassment of the past three years was still ahead of them. ...

            The 28 leaked points serve two purposes for Moscow."

            ~ Nick Paton Walsh

            #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
            /4

            https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/21/europe/ukraine-russia-trump-peace-analysis-intl

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            #5

            "They present a starting block that is so advantageous that even achieving parts of it would be a huge win. And they also provide an edifice to which Russian diplomats can constantly return if they wish to, yet again, slow-roll diplomacy while their military has the advantage."

            #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
            /5

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            • wdlindsy@toad.socialW wdlindsy@toad.social

              "They present a starting block that is so advantageous that even achieving parts of it would be a huge win. And they also provide an edifice to which Russian diplomats can constantly return if they wish to, yet again, slow-roll diplomacy while their military has the advantage."

              #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
              /5

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              #6

              "A gift to Putin"

              ~Kenneth Roth

              https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/22/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-gift-to-putin

              "Appears to have been drafted by Russia"

              ~ Robert B. Hubbell

              https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/friday-was-opposite-day-in-trumpworld

              "A moral betrayal and a strategic blunder"

              ~ Mark Hertling

              https://www.thebulwark.com/p/ukraine-russia-peace-territory-frozen-conflict

              #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
              /6

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              • wdlindsy@toad.socialW wdlindsy@toad.social

                "A gift to Putin"

                ~Kenneth Roth

                https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/22/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-gift-to-putin

                "Appears to have been drafted by Russia"

                ~ Robert B. Hubbell

                https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/friday-was-opposite-day-in-trumpworld

                "A moral betrayal and a strategic blunder"

                ~ Mark Hertling

                https://www.thebulwark.com/p/ukraine-russia-peace-territory-frozen-conflict

                #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
                /6

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                #7

                "This Russian-drafted propaganda must be rejected and disregarded for the unserious nonsense that it is. This moment requires Peace Through Strength, not appeasement."

                ~ Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick quoted by Simon Rosenberg

                #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
                /7

                https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/congress-loudly-rebuked-trump-on

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                • wdlindsy@toad.socialW wdlindsy@toad.social

                  "This Russian-drafted propaganda must be rejected and disregarded for the unserious nonsense that it is. This moment requires Peace Through Strength, not appeasement."

                  ~ Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick quoted by Simon Rosenberg

                  #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
                  /7

                  https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/congress-loudly-rebuked-trump-on

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                  #8

                  "Kaja Kallas, Europe’s Secretary of State quotes Russian foreign minister Andrei Gromyko in Soviet times about Russian "negotiation" tactics:

                  "First, demand the maximum. Do not ask, but demand something that has never been yours.

                  Second, present ultimatums. You know, threaten.

                  And third, do not give one inch in negotiations."

                  #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
                  /8

                  https://bsky.app/profile/kajakallas.bsky.social/post/3m67jchgjm22t

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                    "Kaja Kallas, Europe’s Secretary of State quotes Russian foreign minister Andrei Gromyko in Soviet times about Russian "negotiation" tactics:

                    "First, demand the maximum. Do not ask, but demand something that has never been yours.

                    Second, present ultimatums. You know, threaten.

                    And third, do not give one inch in negotiations."

                    #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
                    /8

                    https://bsky.app/profile/kajakallas.bsky.social/post/3m67jchgjm22t

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                    #9

                    "The 28-point peace plan that the United States and Russia want to impose on Ukraine and Europe is misnamed. It is not a peace plan. It is a proposal that weakens Ukraine and divides America from Europe, preparing the way for a larger war in the future. In the meantime, it benefits unnamed Russian and American investors, at the expense of everyone else."

                    ~ Anne Applebaum

                    #Trump #Putin #Zelensky #Russia #Ukraine #PutinsPoodle #NATO
                    /9

                    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2025/11/trumps-war-peace/685024/?gift=ZIT7NMCmIj_IC4HqpIXYJsRdE44mON6SDp98rk0lviU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

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