<![CDATA[Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital.]]>Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/9df90432-08f4-42c5-b511-5cc275b90499/not-sure-it-could-be-more-brutal-the-direct-erasure-of-the-natural-world-for-the-proprietary-and-digital.RSS for NodeFri, 23 Oct 2026 10:01:20 GMTFri, 23 Oct 2026 01:58:59 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 05:30:01 GMT]]>@JulianOliver also fuck google:
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117486640580354820

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/themadhatter/statuses/117488576222443338https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/themadhatter/statuses/117488576222443338Fri, 23 Oct 2026 05:30:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 05:29:58 GMT]]>@JulianOliver

But.
When they sold the ground to Google what did they think Google would do there? Plant flowers?

No, they knew Google builds datacenters and many trees have to be chopped down. They just thought they could regulate that a bit.

Well, it seems Google has calculated that it can shorten the process at an acceptable cost.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/nilz/statuses/117488575983724442https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/nilz/statuses/117488575983724442Fri, 23 Oct 2026 05:29:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 05:20:06 GMT]]>@JulianOliver but business as usual for . First pull the trigger, if caught just say "oh no! We didn't know that, we're very sorry!"
There will be no legislation against these guys.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/themadhatter/statuses/117488537215840419https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/themadhatter/statuses/117488537215840419Fri, 23 Oct 2026 05:20:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:52:22 GMT]]>@401matthall @moelassus @JulianOliver
And ban Google, and all subsidiaries and related companies from ever owning land in Finland. Confiscate all of it. And have all parts of the state migrate to non-google options for everything.

That would be a reasonable consequence. So it ain't happening.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/Gurre/statuses/117488428153643371https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/Gurre/statuses/117488428153643371Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:52:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:48:55 GMT]]>@JulianOliver tropical countries face environmental problems due to resource extraction, specifically mining. on the other hand, cold countries, such as the nordic and scandinavian nations, experience issues arising from data center construction

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116555269191093829/statuses/117488414569165524https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116555269191093829/statuses/117488414569165524Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:48:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:45:40 GMT]]>@JulianOliver fucking falls short of everything that's called for. Bury them under the wood they chopped and set it on fire.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hespere.de/users/hllizi/statuses/117488401796069236https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hespere.de/users/hllizi/statuses/117488401796069236Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:45:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:37:00 GMT]]>@azonenberg @JulianOliver Use it to make the gallows we'll need for dealing with all of these monsters.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/117488367747441402https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/117488367747441402Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:37:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:35:39 GMT]]>@JulianOliver This is what happens when you put a few civil servants from a small municipality (Muhos has a population of about 9,000 people) up against a global multinational. They didn’t stand a chance against the pressure from both politicians and Google. The latest news about the case was that the Prime Minister’s Office tried to hide correspondence between Finnish Prime Minister Orpo and Google. It all reeks of corruption.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115828233585754210/statuses/117488362428207370https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115828233585754210/statuses/117488362428207370Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:35:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:32:27 GMT]]>@JulianOliver

this is just faux outrage

far as I can tell, Finnish Industry cuts down 30 million trees a year, mostly for lumber

however, the topsoil removal might be bad, dunno

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/failedLyndonLaRouchite/statuses/117488349824024503https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/failedLyndonLaRouchite/statuses/117488349824024503Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:32:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:31:56 GMT]]>@JulianOliver this is nauseating. I used to worry how future generations would judge us, but I don't know if I need to worry about future generations. Mother Earth will not have mercy on us.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gts.shom.dev/users/shom/statuses/01M5KGENJMMSTZMX7DGB266X95https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gts.shom.dev/users/shom/statuses/01M5KGENJMMSTZMX7DGB266X95Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:31:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:31:27 GMT]]>@JulianOliver These bloody things are just environmental vandalism writ large.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/117482362850558906/statuses/117488345882250661https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/117482362850558906/statuses/117488345882250661Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:31:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:25:20 GMT]]>@JulianOliver
That's why they put 'don't be evil' aside.
They like to be evil

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Pouakai/statuses/117488321859811085https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Pouakai/statuses/117488321859811085Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:25:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:18:25 GMT]]>@JulianOliver Yup. And the whole "prefer this site on google" button (or however it's phrased) is just more of the same shit that they've been peddling since they dropped "don't be evil" as a slogan.

(reader: they've always been evil)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/muddle/statuses/117488294643721924https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/muddle/statuses/117488294643721924Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:18:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:12:04 GMT]]>@flaki

That's kinda my point, honestly. Under the current administration US military involvement will _always_ be a method of extracting wealth _directly_.

No longer the shell game of the World Bank, the IMF, or USAID for a 'soft-power' approach.

Just... Give us money or we'll _let_ Putin roll over you.

Then Trump'll split the money with Putin and _let_ him roll over you.

... You literally can't beat a bully without... _beating_ a bully.

@JulianOliver

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.xyz/users/401matthall/statuses/117488269718338152https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.xyz/users/401matthall/statuses/117488269718338152Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:12:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:03:17 GMT]]>@JulianOliver @401matthall plus there is the added cooling factor for fear of getting on the wrong side of the Cheeto-in-chief — for prosecuting its precious company building out precious slopperintelligence infrastructure — amidst a growing threat on Finland's Eastern border (not that we haven't seen who the Cheeto's allegiance truly lies with…)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://flaki.social/users/flaki/statuses/117488235150161144https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://flaki.social/users/flaki/statuses/117488235150161144Fri, 23 Oct 2026 04:03:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:48:20 GMT]]>@JulianOliver Have a court sell the wood at auction and donate the proceeds to charity or something? No sense letting it go to waste.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ioc.exchange/users/azonenberg/statuses/117488176343033921https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ioc.exchange/users/azonenberg/statuses/117488176343033921Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:48:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:45:22 GMT]]>Fuck Google.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/JulianOliver/statuses/117488164713768337https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/JulianOliver/statuses/117488164713768337Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:45:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:44:39 GMT]]>We traditionally associate mining with such ecocidal environmental erasure, metals and minerals. And yet this is very much the site of a modern mine, one whose minerals are human culture, knowledge, creativity and desire.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/JulianOliver/statuses/117488161908086184https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/JulianOliver/statuses/117488161908086184Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:44:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:38:43 GMT]]>@401matthall @moelassus And if so, I will ask at what point will we realise that such punitive measures are enabling, and that no amount of cash can replace the natural world.

They need to be charged and trialed for ecocide, as murderers.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/JulianOliver/statuses/117488138550740633https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/JulianOliver/statuses/117488138550740633Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:38:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:38:02 GMT]]>@JulianOliver

<sigh>

I find this insufficient.

@moelassus

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.xyz/users/401matthall/statuses/117488135858354755https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.xyz/users/401matthall/statuses/117488135858354755Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:38:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:37:10 GMT]]>@401matthall @moelassus I fear that what will likely eventuate is a run through the high court and a fine that, proportional to their net worth, will be the equivalent of a speeding ticket. I've little doubt they've already readied the cash, and lawyers.

To go on, devouring.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/JulianOliver/statuses/117488132480653176https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/JulianOliver/statuses/117488132480653176Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:37:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:34:56 GMT]]>@JulianOliver

Can't just blame Google. Who actually cut down the trees? Get them too. Put them all in jail

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://climatejustice.social/users/chu/statuses/117488123644893120https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://climatejustice.social/users/chu/statuses/117488123644893120Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:34:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:30:47 GMT]]>@moelassus

I know, I know. Corruption is problem _everywhere_ but... I kinda thought the Finns had it together on this kind of stuff.

Like... Slap Google with the equivalent of eminent domain. Take the land back, fine the ever loving shit out of them and if they drag their feat or dissemble start seizing existing property to hold as a bond against the unpaid fine.

Like... Slap 'em.

...

Does this stuff not work? Am I a child?

@JulianOliver

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.xyz/users/401matthall/statuses/117488107369845773https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.xyz/users/401matthall/statuses/117488107369845773Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:30:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:27:22 GMT]]>@401matthall @JulianOliver What is this thing "law” you speak of?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/moelassus/statuses/117488093945478643https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/moelassus/statuses/117488093945478643Fri, 23 Oct 2026 03:27:22 GMT