<![CDATA[Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed.]]>Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/aad0d360-b5ac-44b9-a6c4-56f890f067aa/musk-s-tesla-modified-contracts-with-customers-without-the-customers-permission-long-after-they-were-signed.RSS for NodeSun, 26 Jul 2026 22:26:01 GMTSat, 25 Jul 2026 07:19:07 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sun, 26 Jul 2026 04:52:49 GMT]]>@dangillmor it was in response to criticism and NHTSA putting their foot down about it so they wanted to try to escape liability

Same reason autopilot used to disconnect before a crash

It won’t hold up in court lol

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/Elizafox/statuses/116984484323340775https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/Elizafox/statuses/116984484323340775Sun, 26 Jul 2026 04:52:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sun, 26 Jul 2026 03:24:05 GMT]]>@modris @dangillmor

that's a win

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/joriki/statuses/116984135409471877https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/joriki/statuses/116984135409471877Sun, 26 Jul 2026 03:24:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 20:46:42 GMT]]>@tommorris @dangillmor
No. But by ignoring legislation and common law.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/Andii/statuses/116982572837138483https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/Andii/statuses/116982572837138483Sat, 25 Jul 2026 20:46:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 19:20:44 GMT]]>@tknarr
At least in Germany you sign a contract and that contract cannot be changed afterwards by one side only.

@dangillmor

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hessen.social/users/aerofreak/statuses/116982234767631253https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hessen.social/users/aerofreak/statuses/116982234767631253Sat, 25 Jul 2026 19:20:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:30:53 GMT]]>@dangillmor @Lazarou
Another reason why it is always a good idea to have contracts on actual paper. No fraud can simply change details on a printed contract you have in your bank or at home.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/gnaddrig/statuses/116982038743548736https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/gnaddrig/statuses/116982038743548736Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:30:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:54:06 GMT]]>@joriki @dangillmor Not with Tesla of course as I wouldn't have anything Tesla-related. I did have to threaten to use the printed one once so it all worked out.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/modris/statuses/116981894106265267https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/modris/statuses/116981894106265267Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:54:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:48:38 GMT]]>@modris @dangillmor

have you ever successfully used those printouts in a dispute?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/joriki/statuses/116981872616187384https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/joriki/statuses/116981872616187384Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:48:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:54:16 GMT]]>@Andii @dangillmor by being a government…?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/tommorris/statuses/116981658836108554https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/tommorris/statuses/116981658836108554Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:54:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:00:40 GMT]]>@dangillmor
If they do change the contract, you must have the legal right to OPT OUT correct? These are the kind of issues we need the CFPB for. Too bad the Dotard Regime destroyed it. ☠️

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toad.social/users/lin11c/statuses/116981448081706428https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toad.social/users/lin11c/statuses/116981448081706428Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:00:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:58:46 GMT]]>@dangillmor Is that lega--oh nevermind. Nothing is illegal if you're rich in this stupid place.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/TheZeldaZone/statuses/116981440610197468https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/TheZeldaZone/statuses/116981440610197468Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:58:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:53:55 GMT]]>@dangillmor laws do not apply to the rich or the so called “money and job makers”, which is complete nonsense

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cyberplace.social/ap/users/115588296584761431/statuses/116981421559777906https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://cyberplace.social/ap/users/115588296584761431/statuses/116981421559777906Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:53:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:00:26 GMT]]>@dangillmor How does
it differ from outright fraud?

That’s the neat part. It doesn’t!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/jordgubben/statuses/116981211204807009https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/jordgubben/statuses/116981211204807009Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:00:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:41:07 GMT]]>@dangillmor
Why would you not print out the contract when signed?
Hard copies are the best backup.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Allkinds/statuses/116981135262427192https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Allkinds/statuses/116981135262427192Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:41:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:32:59 GMT]]>@tknarr @dangillmor I don't know about the UK or USA, but in Germany it is regarded as fraud. However when no evidence regarding the original contract exists, it might be difficult to prove.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://berlin.social/users/agitatra/statuses/116981103324413873https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://berlin.social/users/agitatra/statuses/116981103324413873Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:32:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:26:57 GMT]]>@dangillmor @benroyce And they're far from the only ones. Louis Rossmann has a youtube channel where he regularly exposes how companies do semi- to illegal things to their customers, and a wiki.
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Post-purchase_EULA_modification

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://universeodon.com/users/punissuer/statuses/116981079578313100https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://universeodon.com/users/punissuer/statuses/116981079578313100Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:26:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:25:28 GMT]]>@tknarr @aerofreak @dangillmor

No, they cannot. Credit card companies invented the single-sided contract modification “with notice.” The def’n of “notification” has been slid mercilessly toward obfuscation ever since Billy-boy Gates invented the EULA.

The fine-print trick has peaked.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Benhm3/statuses/116981073739842081https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Benhm3/statuses/116981073739842081Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:25:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:16:31 GMT]]>@dangillmor This is why I always keep a printed copy of all contracts, even today.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/modris/statuses/116981038560719233https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/modris/statuses/116981038560719233Sat, 25 Jul 2026 14:16:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:14:48 GMT]]>@aerofreak @dangillmor Can you cite a statute saying that?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/tknarr/statuses/116980795847183244https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/tknarr/statuses/116980795847183244Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:14:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:04:51 GMT]]>@tknarr

Nah, that's illegal in every aspect.

@dangillmor

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hessen.social/users/aerofreak/statuses/116980756763863126https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hessen.social/users/aerofreak/statuses/116980756763863126Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:04:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 12:34:25 GMT]]>@dangillmor
Same as russia also revising contracts so Wildberries is not liable for lost stock. Contracts and constitutions and toilet paper.

https://mezha.net/eng/bukvy/1649b480_russian_marketplaces_remove/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/NMBA/statuses/116980637097442446https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/NMBA/statuses/116980637097442446Sat, 25 Jul 2026 12:34:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 12:33:02 GMT]]>@dangillmor

It's bizarre to me that someone has to "access" the contract online. Instead of, you know, printing it out on paper and filing it somewhere safe.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://left-bank.net/ap/users/115996564141250603/statuses/116980631656071884https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://left-bank.net/ap/users/115996564141250603/statuses/116980631656071884Sat, 25 Jul 2026 12:33:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 11:20:04 GMT]]>@dangillmor Contract fraud. Clear and simple.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Olle_Gladso/statuses/116980344722408901https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Olle_Gladso/statuses/116980344722408901Sat, 25 Jul 2026 11:20:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 11:06:36 GMT]]>@dangillmor arrogant, criminal behaviour. Contracts require a meeting of the minds (a common understanding of what is being agreed) how could that be possible with the terms changed without your knowledge or agreement. What was sold for $15,000?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.au/users/curiously/statuses/116980291748767583https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.au/users/curiously/statuses/116980291748767583Sat, 25 Jul 2026 11:06:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. on Sat, 25 Jul 2026 10:55:29 GMT]]>@dangillmor

Hate to tell you this, but most contracts signed with a click to agree have clauses that allow the issuer to change terms at anytime. Banks do this all day long.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rhymerepartee/statuses/116980248032624546https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rhymerepartee/statuses/116980248032624546Sat, 25 Jul 2026 10:55:29 GMT