<![CDATA[An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement]]>An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/06/08/an-open-letter/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/b18452e9-4018-4fc6-8cc2-07afb4378ab7/an-open-letter-to-office-suite-users-just-before-the-euro-office-announcementRSS for NodeThu, 11 Jun 2026 20:44:12 GMTMon, 08 Jun 2026 07:05:58 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Thu, 11 Jun 2026 05:54:25 GMT]]>@libreoffice This is what using LibreOffice is like.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/happysinger/statuses/116729922574734923https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/happysinger/statuses/116729922574734923Thu, 11 Jun 2026 05:54:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Wed, 10 Jun 2026 10:49:39 GMT]]>@hobart @libreoffice Give it a rest, or a soap ?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/BartFoss42/statuses/116725421176365769https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/BartFoss42/statuses/116725421176365769Wed, 10 Jun 2026 10:49:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Wed, 10 Jun 2026 10:35:36 GMT]]>@libreoffice@fosstodon.org @dunklecat@mastodon.dunklecat.dev looks like that github org are just mirrors but good to know theyโ€™re not official

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/dd7de379-8817-4d83-b250-0b217f99fa4ahttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/dd7de379-8817-4d83-b250-0b217f99fa4aWed, 10 Jun 2026 10:35:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Wed, 10 Jun 2026 10:25:17 GMT]]>@libreoffice sorry for the misunderstanding, thank you!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.dunklecat.dev/users/dunklecat/statuses/116725325340768552https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.dunklecat.dev/users/dunklecat/statuses/116725325340768552Wed, 10 Jun 2026 10:25:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Wed, 10 Jun 2026 10:08:03 GMT]]>@dunklecat That's not our repo. We are at https://git.libreoffice.org

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/libreoffice/statuses/116725257569273802https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/libreoffice/statuses/116725257569273802Wed, 10 Jun 2026 10:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Wed, 10 Jun 2026 07:23:34 GMT]]>@libreoffice I thank you for your open letter, and I'm going to take advantage of it to ask you: are you going to abandon Github in the foreseeable future? If I'm not mistaken your official repositories are here: https://github.com/LibreOffice

I'm wrong, they're at https://git.libreoffice.org/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.dunklecat.dev/users/dunklecat/statuses/116724610811104813https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.dunklecat.dev/users/dunklecat/statuses/116724610811104813Wed, 10 Jun 2026 07:23:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Tue, 09 Jun 2026 11:02:53 GMT]]>@jmbmkn @libreoffice Euro Office is a fork of OnlyOffice which uses OOXML internally.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://troet.cafe/users/askaaron/statuses/116719810892687177https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://troet.cafe/users/askaaron/statuses/116719810892687177Tue, 09 Jun 2026 11:02:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Tue, 09 Jun 2026 01:24:12 GMT]]>@hobart
I normally like xkcd but knocking neurodivergency for shits and giggles seems a bit weird.
@libreoffice

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/MurrayWindripper/statuses/116717535380016862https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/MurrayWindripper/statuses/116717535380016862Tue, 09 Jun 2026 01:24:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 21:57:35 GMT]]>@ocdtrekkie
A different aprox:

https://www.collaboraonline.com/blog/you-are-not-sovereign-if-microsoft-still-architects-your-documents/

@zandbelt @libreoffice

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116716722949337335https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116716722949337335Mon, 08 Jun 2026 21:57:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 20:57:17 GMT]]>@libreoffice

Is that a picture attached to your post?
Is that picture a PNG with transparent background?

Well, whatever it is, it's unreadable/ unrecognisable what's supposed to be showing.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/47363/statuses/116716485810402016https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://norden.social/users/47363/statuses/116716485810402016Mon, 08 Jun 2026 20:57:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 19:18:26 GMT]]>@ocdtrekkie
The best aprox is "create new as ODF, save in the last time saved".

@zandbelt @libreoffice

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116716097118402305https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116716097118402305Mon, 08 Jun 2026 19:18:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 19:06:04 GMT]]>@karlggestd @zandbelt @libreoffice Yes. IMHO the best direction for LibreOffice is to make the formats *not matter* such that nobody cares that they stopped saving docx and started saving odt at some point. The less it matters the more people can comfortably switch to open software.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116716048493222072https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116716048493222072Mon, 08 Jun 2026 19:06:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 19:01:51 GMT]]>@ocdtrekkie @zandbelt @libreoffice But it is no there.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116716031947259181https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116716031947259181Mon, 08 Jun 2026 19:01:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 19:00:28 GMT]]>@ocdtrekkie @zandbelt @libreoffice

What LibreOffice should be doing is subtly different. Instead of using "save as OOXML by default," it should ensure that the "Open" dialog box displays any ODF or OOXML document for selection without any hassle. THAT would be a real improvement. And apparently, it's doing that now.

And perhaps offering to save the native format just once, instead of every time ๐Ÿ˜€ And more importantly: manage them as best as possible. And improve PDF support.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116716026503536522https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116716026503536522Mon, 08 Jun 2026 19:00:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:51:22 GMT]]>@ocdtrekkie @zandbelt @libreoffice but in fact OXML is bad and incompatible and a lot of things.

Marketing from LibreOffice is bad, and some policies or decisions are bad too. I'm agreed in this.

But OOXML is only a standard because Microsoft paid people time ago to approve the ISO standard. Nothing more.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116715990719626866https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116715990719626866Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:51:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:10:30 GMT]]>@karlggestd @zandbelt @libreoffice As long as what you need to include in the file to match that behavior is in the standard and it's permissible to use that in your files, there's nothing that prevents OOXML from being a standard if it says "match this behavior".

If I said every file had to start with WJGKWJF@ for no apparent reason, it'd be no different than some unchangeable string of binary. And it could still be part of a standard that you need to include it even if you can't change it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116715830037532450https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116715830037532450Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:10:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:02:12 GMT]]>@karlggestd @zandbelt @libreoffice And in this case, he has spun so far off the rails, he's now trashing a different open source project for being better at marketing to Office customers and meeting their needs than he is. Rather than just... fixing his marketing strategy.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116715797396028630https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116715797396028630Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:02:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:00:48 GMT]]>@karlggestd @zandbelt @libreoffice We should not be trying to tell people they need to switch to open things for open things' sake. That has never worked, it hasn't worked for the past thirty years, and it won't start working in the next thirty.

If you want to switch organizations over to LibreOffice, it needs to do what they need it to do: work with Microsoft Office, which is what everyone else they talk to uses (which it does!) and be cheaper (which it is!)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116715791875052659https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116715791875052659Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:00:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 17:59:01 GMT]]>@karlggestd @zandbelt @libreoffice I think LibreOffice defaulting to saving in ODF is not only fine, but a good thing. It means if we can transition organizations to LibreOffice, they will likely start transiting organically to ODF (which Microsoft Office also supports quite well!).

The problem is the author of this blog who constantly acts like OOXML is incompatible and bad and that the only way to get freedom is to switch to ODF. And that is a dumb and backwards marketing approach.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116715784854858567https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ocdtrekkie/statuses/116715784854858567Mon, 08 Jun 2026 17:59:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 17:19:40 GMT]]>@libreoffice
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/743:_Infrastructures

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://uwu.social/users/hobart/statuses/116715630137686131https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://uwu.social/users/hobart/statuses/116715630137686131Mon, 08 Jun 2026 17:19:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:40:10 GMT]]>@libreoffice You should check on the contrast again.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://corteximplant.com/users/kaiserkiwi/statuses/116715474839998628https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://corteximplant.com/users/kaiserkiwi/statuses/116715474839998628Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:40:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:36:31 GMT]]>@libreoffice Hear Hear!!

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/RubenWA/statuses/116715460446336139https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/RubenWA/statuses/116715460446336139Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:36:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 15:39:36 GMT]]>@ocdtrekkie @zandbelt @libreoffice

No, it is true. ODF is not a good standard anyway.

But include things you can't replicate. Then it is closed. Paying people can't change the nature of the code.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116715236669058849https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/karlggestd/statuses/116715236669058849Mon, 08 Jun 2026 15:39:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An open letter to office suite users, just before the Euro-Office announcement on Mon, 08 Jun 2026 15:38:07 GMT]]>@ocdtrekkie @zandbelt @libreoffice
You mention LibreOffice's marketing, but you're referring to an understandable decision: sticking with their own format. Are you confusing proper support for a format with "saving by default"?

None of this explains why OnlyOffice doesn't have better usage figures. You're making assumptions without any basis.

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