Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.”

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tkissing@mastodon.social — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:29:39 GMT

@eff I fart in your general direction.

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virtualbri@mastodon.online — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:28:59 GMT

@deathkitten Yes, when both slip to advocating based on a theoretical world over the one we actually live in.

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veviser@mastodon.social — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:22:00 GMT

@eff Oh, that's disappointing.

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pork_slam@mastodon.social — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:18:50 GMT

@Big_Blue_Gnu @eff just because people are pushing back, does not mean it's corporate backed. People are standing behind EFF's principles here, or at least what "we" thought they stood for. This is dissappointing on so many levels.

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707kat@mastodon.art — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:12:10 GMT

@corigan01 @eff yeah it sucks. I think I only knew because it’s been a subject I have been paying really close attention to.

There are still good people and organizations out there. The EFF does do good regarding surveillance. People are banding together and building moats. But yes, it does make the landscape bleak for current existing organizations.

I think some of the ones that swing gAI will change their mind, as I have seen it elsewhere before. EFF I think not.

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ailurocrat@scicomm.xyz — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:10:32 GMT

@eff fair use is not for profit. What they did is. Libraries are fair use ( yes, including shadow libraries and torrents) Fair use is a human tool, for sharing knowledge and art without commercial consideration. Fair use has nothing what-so-fucking-ever to do with what the corporations do.

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corigan01@todon.nl — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:05:44 GMT

@707Kat @eff I guess I never really paid enough attention to notice, I had figured the EFF was on our side and just left them alone to fight my own battles.

It sucks to feel I trusted them... It feels like the ground is crumbling as every major thing I thought was on our side turns out to be terrible (like linux, Debian, and most of FOSS right now).

I really need to start my own org at this point, I don't really know who else to trust.

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pork_slam@mastodon.social — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:04:06 GMT

@eff are you serious? You guys are compromised.

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virtualbri@mastodon.online — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:02:44 GMT

@deathkitten They are so stuck on a theory divorced from reality they are willing to let the average person get destroyed for their conceptual frameworks

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hecks@slime.computer — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:02:03 GMT

@eff EFF are a bunch of corrupt clowns, eat shit

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707kat@mastodon.art — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:01:29 GMT

@jack @eff they took it long ago. Look through the archive of their posts on the subject from years ago.

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707kat@mastodon.art — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:58:40 GMT

@Grutjes @eff this has been their position for years.

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707kat@mastodon.art — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:58:12 GMT

@corigan01 @eff they have been peddling this position for years.

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virtualbri@mastodon.online — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:49:32 GMT

@eff EFF thinks they are so galaxy brained in their own heads they espouse a truely stupid take on AI.

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paulditz@todon.eu — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:47:21 GMT

@eff this is a shit position and you should be ashamed.

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deathkitten@firetribe.org — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:39:29 GMT

@eff@mastodon.social So, uh, you taking donations from the Slop companies now? Is this why you're dropping toxic takes like this?

They're literally destroying the commons by scraping web servers to death, they're burning the planet with this stampede to build data centers and polluting water, and then their poorly designed models aren't even any good at what they claim to be able to do. They introduce bugs, give bad answers, and record incorrect information in medical transcripts!

But sure, fight for the big guy as he puts his boot on the necks of the rest of us.

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kirakira@furry.engineer — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:32:49 GMT

@jiub @eff wow that's fucking bad

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bunbury@famichiki.jp — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:30:43 GMT

@eff No sane person loves transformative work that makes the internet unusable, boils the ocean, and makes hardware and electricity expensive

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rhube@wandering.shop — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:27:21 GMT

@eff It's really not.

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totesmanly@mastodon.social — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:23:29 GMT

@eff I'm surprised you're bragging about your staff attorney's boneheaded comment.

P.S. What are you patting yourself on the back for? Having a your staff attorney quoted in an article? I used to think EFF was cool but shameless self promotion is the opposite of cool. It's lame and gross.

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shadsterling@mastodon.social — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:19:47 GMT

@eff Even if creating a generative model is transformative, selling the use of one as a for-profit service to undercut creative artists is preventing the kind of creation that copyright was intended to foster.

But since the generation of statistically similar outputs ensures that the further-derived generated outputs are minimally transformative of the sources, it’s misleading to describe the model itself as transformative.

These services should be required to license their sources.

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lispi314@udongein.xyz — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:16:45 GMT

@dalias @Big_Blue_Gnu @eff I want the "AI" to die for other reasons more pertinent to ethics.

The part that annoys me with regard to copyright is the hypocrisy. The deliberate exception because it's part of the capital-owning class (or those under their effective orders) that's doing the mass infringement. Try doing so yourself and you'll drown in debt.

Copyright could and should be abolished, my ethical objections would remain untouched.

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nagaram@gts.thinkstoomuch.net — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:14:18 GMT

@dalias
@Big_Blue_Gnu @eff

Saw some of your other posts and convos.

I think my understanding of the current state of the copyright debate is out of date.

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msbellows@c.im — Sat, 05 Sep 2026 04:13:44 GMT

@michel_slm @lilyyllyyllyly @eff EGGTD.