<![CDATA[i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical]]>i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/d211c351-4a94-4a2d-a0b9-b1955dbe3f63/i-ve-heard-a-few-times-that-waymos-will-make-streets-safer-so-i-went-and-looked-up-sf-s-traffic-fatality-statistics-and-they-re-pretty-much-identicalRSS for NodeWed, 22 Apr 2026 00:33:58 GMTMon, 20 Apr 2026 03:14:13 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 13:15:56 GMT]]>@tef I find it easy to imagine driverless taxis circling the city at random if someone works out that low-speed driving costs less per hour than paying for parking.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://batchats.net/users/Qybat/statuses/116442880851694774https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://batchats.net/users/Qybat/statuses/116442880851694774Tue, 21 Apr 2026 13:15:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 12:40:33 GMT]]>@gisgeek @tef Don't let the nostalgia get too strong. The old web was an absolute cesspit of sexism, racism, idiocy and edgelord posing. But it was our cesspit, full of genuine human idiots, and trolls who did it for fun rather than as algorithmicly-optimised ragebait content.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://batchats.net/users/Qybat/statuses/116442741691985076https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://batchats.net/users/Qybat/statuses/116442741691985076Tue, 21 Apr 2026 12:40:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 12:18:58 GMT]]>@Qybat @tef

Right now, the situation is manageable once more. But I will keep that in mind if it gets worse again.

(I am _not_ an experienced website admin, and am loath to change more in the setup for my sites than absolutely necessary.)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mementomori.social/users/juergen_hubert/statuses/116442656817203911https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mementomori.social/users/juergen_hubert/statuses/116442656817203911Tue, 21 Apr 2026 12:18:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 11:54:35 GMT]]>@tef So this is *a* source: https://www.nhtsa.gov/file-downloads?p=nhtsa/downloads/FARS/

I don't know if it's what you are referencing.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/deftpunk/statuses/116442560976646629https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/deftpunk/statuses/116442560976646629Tue, 21 Apr 2026 11:54:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 11:46:55 GMT]]>@juergen_hubert @tef You need a tarpit then. An endless generator of noise, rate limited, to keep the bots busy.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://batchats.net/users/Qybat/statuses/116442530785399443https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://batchats.net/users/Qybat/statuses/116442530785399443Tue, 21 Apr 2026 11:46:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 08:27:57 GMT]]>@MeaningfulBits @tef All that does is increase traffic/sprawl and make transport less efficient and dense. Car centrism is a disease, and waymo is only spreading more of it.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://todon.nl/users/GLaDTheresCake/statuses/116441748416516115https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://todon.nl/users/GLaDTheresCake/statuses/116441748416516115Tue, 21 Apr 2026 08:27:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 06:38:28 GMT]]>@tef I am working for the opposite. And I think this will be successful.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/DaddyR/statuses/116441317959417408https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/DaddyR/statuses/116441317959417408Tue, 21 Apr 2026 06:38:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 06:12:13 GMT]]>@tef It breaks my heart.

There are many, many things in this world that break my heart, but this is one of them.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://supervolcano.angryshark.eu/users/AdaraAstin/statuses/116441214688584777https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://supervolcano.angryshark.eu/users/AdaraAstin/statuses/116441214688584777Tue, 21 Apr 2026 06:12:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:38:25 GMT]]>@tef mhh I'm afraid it currently looks like a net public good because the detrimental effects will just take a generation or two to materialize.

You know, once the first generation that never had to learn a foreign language in order to communicate or consume media will become adults I suspect there will be measurable effects, cause language shapes reality

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ioc.exchange/users/wall_e/statuses/116441081838999573https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ioc.exchange/users/wall_e/statuses/116441081838999573Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:38:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:28:36 GMT]]>@tef

My website is getting _hammered_ by AI scraper bot networks. I had to upgrade my hosting plan twice last year, just to keep outages at a semi-acceptable level.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mementomori.social/users/juergen_hubert/statuses/116440807306001640https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mementomori.social/users/juergen_hubert/statuses/116440807306001640Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:28:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:47:27 GMT]]>@andre123 @tef As a side note, I will admit here that local can also disappear overnight though. There is no such thing as an actual open model, just "freely" available ones. They do not share the training data or methods in any form. Why they get away with calling them "open" I do not know. There is no community effort to make an actually open model that I know of. If corporations decide to control everything they can stop providing models for local... This hasn't occurred to them. Yet.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nazokiyoubinbou/statuses/116440645483596687https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nazokiyoubinbou/statuses/116440645483596687Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:47:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:44:59 GMT]]>@andre123 @tef Well, running local takes a lot less than people have been lead to believe. You can run quite a decent bit on even just CPU alone, albeit slowly. And the power usage isn't that bad. Companies use a lot of cheats and shortcuts for the sake of making it faster, bigger context, etc. It adds up almost exponentially.

Besides, I would argue they started killing the open Web *before* the fake "pretend LLMs are general AI" scam started. (Though this idea may have occurred to them.)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nazokiyoubinbou/statuses/116440635789333691https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nazokiyoubinbou/statuses/116440635789333691Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:44:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 02:40:50 GMT]]>@EndlessMason @tef Maybe pedigree? Pedals? Peddle?

It's a mystery to me.

Side note: is a pedometer a tool for counting Epstein clients?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/ZDL/statuses/116440383520511199https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/ZDL/statuses/116440383520511199Tue, 21 Apr 2026 02:40:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:08:40 GMT]]>@ZDL @tef
Pedometer?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/EndlessMason/statuses/116440021092813150https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/EndlessMason/statuses/116440021092813150Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:08:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 00:45:53 GMT]]>@EndlessMason @tef I'm pretty sure there's a word for this. Ped...icure? Ped...erasty? It's on the tip of my tongue.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/ZDL/statuses/116439931502344848https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mstdn.social/users/ZDL/statuses/116439931502344848Tue, 21 Apr 2026 00:45:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 22:27:08 GMT]]>@tef Waymos tend to take people out of Uber/Lyft/Taxi services. Compare Waymos injuries/deaths to Uber/Lyft/Taxi injuries deaths. Even if Waymos is only as good of a driver as a human, Waymo will reduce injury/death bc there is no driver, so one fewer person to injure/kill in a crash.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/heathborders/statuses/116439385942873235https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/heathborders/statuses/116439385942873235Mon, 20 Apr 2026 22:27:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 21:58:13 GMT]]>@tef I'm interested in these stats. Can you point me at your sources?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/deftpunk/statuses/116439272251350754https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/deftpunk/statuses/116439272251350754Mon, 20 Apr 2026 21:58:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:46:02 GMT]]>@Rycaut I really hate this fake voice, which I have to turn off as I want to hear the original voice of the person in the video.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/thierna/statuses/116438280588229711https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.green/users/thierna/statuses/116438280588229711Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:46:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:23:46 GMT]]>@tef, I can never remember what “CDC” is, other than being something foreign.

So I just think of it as the Cult of the Dead Cow, and now you do too.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/lp0_on_fire/statuses/116437957089099418https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/lp0_on_fire/statuses/116437957089099418Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:23:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:19:26 GMT]]>@thesquirrelfish @vfig

Yeah I ran those articles past a friend who lived in a traditional village in Cameroon for a bit and he said that Bret is really overclaiming the universality there.

Devereaux knows his shit about the details of Roman economics and military organization, I have been reading his blog for years, but yeah I'm with you on that criticism.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/eestileib/statuses/116437940044832638https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/eestileib/statuses/116437940044832638Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:19:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:55:07 GMT]]>@bright_helpings @tef basically 99.975% of the "it's good for people with disabilities" arguments we've seen have come from white abled people doing, effectively, white-saviorism with a technocratic lens, tbqh

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/atax1a/statuses/116437844433698493https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/atax1a/statuses/116437844433698493Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:55:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:43:30 GMT]]>@tef in pricipal, i agree with you, but in the spirit of “the purpose of a system is what is does”, the so-called "open web" is the very thing that has created so many of these harms.

surveillance capitalism, pervasive ad-tech, concentration of wealth & power in the hands of billionaire tech bros, abusive social media algorithms, etc.

i misgivings that preserving the "open web" we have is an unmitigated good.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/causticmsngo/statuses/116437798770659697https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/causticmsngo/statuses/116437798770659697Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:43:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:29:06 GMT]]>@matt @tef Maybe Waymos mimic human drivers because they fall back to remote human drivers when the algorithm fails: https://www.newsweek.com/waymo-reveals-remote-workers-in-philippines-help-guide-its-driverless-cars-11478439

Does the driver have a valid license in your jurisdiction? Should they? If they blow past a stopped school bus at full speed, who gets cited? https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/ntsb-investigates-additional-incident-between-waymo-austin-isd/

Start peeling back the PR from any of this tech and it's all casual lawbreaking, denial of consent, and putting the public at risk with no recourse.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/arclight/statuses/116437742157527074https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/arclight/statuses/116437742157527074Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:29:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:12:23 GMT]]>@tef This is particularly important because the people controlling the technology have shown no interest in achieving those good things. Good things rarely happen by change. So putting the emphasis on things that may magically appear is really just wishful thinking or a rethorical device to tell you are blocking some possible progress ignoring the bad already happening.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/antopatriarca/statuses/116437676441225673https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/antopatriarca/statuses/116437676441225673Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:12:23 GMT