<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad.]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I'm trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for "alt text chemical structure" is embarassingly bad. The top 9 results show up because of the text: "alt text is not available for this image," which is just layers of awful. <a href="https://glammr.us/tags/accessibility" rel="tag">#<span>accessibility</span></a> <a href="https://glammr.us/tags/a11y" rel="tag">#<span>a11y</span></a></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/db0183d0-e2da-470d-88ad-66df62dc6c7b/i-m-trying-to-find-guidelines-for-writing-alt-text-for-chemical-structures-and-the-google-scholar-search-for-alt-text-chemical-structure-is-embarassingly-bad.</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 12:56:47 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/db0183d0-e2da-470d-88ad-66df62dc6c7b.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:20:54 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Tue, 04 Aug 2026 14:44:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>briney</span></a></span> </p><p>One thing I get hung up on about this is that a systematic IUPAC name for any structure, in principal, should describe a structure fully.</p><p>This is a level of completeness that very few visual depictions of any kind have available, even if only in principle.  </p><p>But as most of us who've worked with these things understand, that's cold comfort, because it transmutes the problem into one of being able to read and understand those names, which can contain highly nested components, punctuation, Greek letters, italics, and so on. </p><p>These are almost certainly very unhelpful when passed through a screen reader, for instance.</p><p>There's a reason we use diagrams so much!</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/117037772718136678</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://toot.cat/users/idlestate/statuses/117037772718136678</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[idlestate@toot.cat]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 14:44:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Tue, 04 Aug 2026 02:16:34 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/srlevine%40neuromatch.social">@<span>SRLevine</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mas.to/@QuantumDot2">@<span>QuantumDot2</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://wandering.shop/@belehaa">@<span>belehaa</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mas.to/@carolski">@<span>carolski</span></a></span> oooh thanks. I have a feeling like guidance is going to be scattered across a bunch of different resources like this.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034830722673337</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034830722673337</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 02:16:34 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Tue, 04 Aug 2026 00:50:25 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://aus.social/@bnut">@<span>bnut</span></a></span> thank you so much for sharing the resource and your experience. This is really helpful, especially to know these strategies have been used in the classroom.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034491927523688</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034491927523688</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 00:50:25 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Tue, 04 Aug 2026 00:50:22 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mas.to/@QuantumDot2" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>QuantumDot2</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>briney</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://wandering.shop/@belehaa" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>belehaa</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mas.to/@carolski" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>carolski</span></a></span> I found a handful of things (including that same ACS not particularly helpful guidance) last time I looked</p><p>limited help, but maybe something to start with (Lewis structures aren't really on the scale of what you want to describe): <a href="https://pubs.acs.org/jceda8/article/101/7/2880/156131/The-Lewis-Structure-Explorer-Accessible-by-Design" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>pubs.acs.org/jceda8/article/10</span><span>1/7/2880/156131/The-Lewis-Structure-Explorer-Accessible-by-Design</span></a></p><p>and this from libretexts for designing coursework: <a href="https://commons.libretexts.org/insight/organic-chemistry-accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>commons.libretexts.org/insight</span><span>/organic-chemistry-accessibility</span></a></p><p>I think there are arguments to be made for InChI keys rather than (or in addition to) SMILES for things that have ambiguous SMILES, but I think libretexts is probably on the right track</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://neuromatch.social/users/SRLevine/statuses/117034491711613510</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://neuromatch.social/users/SRLevine/statuses/117034491711613510</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[srlevine@neuromatch.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 00:50:22 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Tue, 04 Aug 2026 00:49:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mas.to/@QuantumDot2">@<span>QuantumDot2</span></a></span> thanks for sharing what you found. I too am suprised that there’s nothing from ASC or RSC. With the new U.S. accessibility rules going into effect next year, I really hope someone is working on this!</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034487741941714</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034487741941714</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 00:49:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Tue, 04 Aug 2026 00:10:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney">@<span>briney</span></a></span> I honestly thought there'd be some good guidelines out there, but I'm coming up with nothing useful from ACS (American Chemical Society) or RSC (Royal Society of Chemistry).</p><p>Julia Winter's company (Alchemie) is working on some sort of algorithmic alt-text generation. You can read some of the basic ideas here: <a href="https://pubs.acs.org/jceda8/article/101/7/2880/156131/The-Lewis-Structure-Explorer-Accessible-by-Design" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>pubs.acs.org/jceda8/article/10</span><span>1/7/2880/156131/The-Lewis-Structure-Explorer-Accessible-by-Design</span></a> and more <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/accessibility-crisis-organic-chemistry-what-instructors-really-mc47c/" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://www.</span><span>linkedin.com/pulse/accessibili</span><span>ty-crisis-organic-chemistry-what-instructors-really-mc47c/</span></a> and a commercial product: <a href="https://www.alchem.ie/piph" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://www.</span><span>alchem.ie/piph</span><span></span></a></p><p>ACS has a committee that I would have thought would have guidance (<a href="https://www.acs.org/about/governance/committees/chemists-with-disabilities.html" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://www.</span><span>acs.org/about/governance/commi</span><span>ttees/chemists-with-disabilities.html</span></a>) but all I could find was "Complex graphics and some other sections of online material may still require the use of a human reader or sufficiently written alt-text to be fully accessible to individuals with visual disabilities. This is due in part to the fact<br />that no standard requirements for figure creation and alt-text to describe figures are in place for most online publications.”</p><p><a href="https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/about/governance/committees/cwd/teaching-chemistry-to-students-with-disabilities-5th-edition.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://www.</span><span>acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/abo</span><span>ut/governance/committees/cwd/teaching-chemistry-to-students-with-disabilities-5th-edition.pdf</span></a></p><p>Hey - if you find something good out there, please share! <img src="https://forum.fedi.dk/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f642.png?v=7979fdcf9c7" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--slightly_smiling_face" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":)" alt="🙂" /></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/QuantumDot2/statuses/117034336008462040</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/QuantumDot2/statuses/117034336008462040</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[quantumdot2@mas.to]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 00:10:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:55:35 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@ardeninred">@<span>ardeninred</span></a></span> I love this resource but I'm a bit disappointed that the only chemistry content they describe is the chemical element.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034276291123948</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034276291123948</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:55:35 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:54:54 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mas.to/@carolski">@<span>carolski</span></a></span> Writing a book is a big project but rewarding!</p><p>I'm actually writing a book on scientific data sharing and trying to include some accessibility principles in the book, hence the alt text question.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034273627063618</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034273627063618</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:54:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:53:11 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney">@<span>briney</span></a></span> It was really fun! And during a very early time in the pandemic, it was something I could do that didn’t require me leaving home. I felt lucky to have the chance to do it.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/carolski/statuses/117034266915733539</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/carolski/statuses/117034266915733539</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[carolski@mas.to]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:53:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:52:32 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney">@<span>briney</span></a></span> not chemistry specifically, but I have found this guide to be really helpful for writing alt-text (or creating alternative files that are text only) for many different complex image types: <a href="http://diagramcenter.org/table-of-contents-2.html" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>http://</span><span>diagramcenter.org/table-of-con</span><span>tents-2.html</span></a></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/ardeninred/statuses/117034264332072029</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/ardeninred/statuses/117034264332072029</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ardeninred@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:52:32 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:51:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://wandering.shop/@belehaa">@<span>belehaa</span></a></span> Thanks for the lead. The math community seems to have some established guidance for equations, but I've not found similar resources for chemistry. Hopefully, I can connect with someone working on this issue.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034261266703373</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034261266703373</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:51:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:51:38 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney">@<span>briney</span></a></span> here’s my book, the alt text should be in there! <br /><a href="https://openoregon.pressbooks.pub/introductoryorganic/" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>openoregon.pressbooks.pub/intr</span><span>oductoryorganic/</span></a></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/carolski/statuses/117034260821462334</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/carolski/statuses/117034260821462334</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[carolski@mas.to]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:51:38 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:50:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mas.to/@carolski">@<span>carolski</span></a></span> Thanks for the link. I will be sure to check out his work. And I'm glad you worked with someone to create good alt text! There is sadly a lack of awareness of accessibility issues in a lot of science.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034255571721947</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034255571721947</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:50:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:49:31 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://aus.social/@bnut">@<span>bnut</span></a></span> Thank you for the feedback. I have a lot of experience with chemistry but zero knowledge of writing alt text for chemistry, so thinking about the relevant attributes is really helpful.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034252488678857</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034252488678857</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:49:31 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:47:02 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney">@<span>briney</span></a></span> I think that chemical alt-text is an area in need of a lot of work (at *least* for awareness). I've considered proposing a symposium/panel about it for the next Biennial Conference on Chemical Education (unfortunately that's not until 2028!). I don't have much in the way of solutions or answers, but I know that the BCCE folks would be a good group to connect with</p><p>Maybe the folks following <a href="https://wandering.shop/tags/chemsky" rel="tag">#<span>chemsky</span></a> have some other leads?</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wandering.shop/users/belehaa/statuses/117034242696281906</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wandering.shop/users/belehaa/statuses/117034242696281906</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[belehaa@wandering.shop]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:47:02 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:46:26 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney">@<span>briney</span></a></span> I worked with someone a few years ago as I developed an OER for an introductory Organic class. I had some money to fund the work, but if you don’t he might provide some help to get you started. And the situation may have changed!</p><p><a href="https://hoby.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>hoby.com/</span><span></span></a></p><p>My book is out there, in various forms, if you want me to point to it just ask.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/carolski/statuses/117034240339457747</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mas.to/users/carolski/statuses/117034240339457747</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[carolski@mas.to]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:46:26 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:44:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://wandering.shop/@belehaa">@<span>belehaa</span></a></span> That's really helpful thank you. I appreciate you sharing your practical experience/knowledge.</p><p>There's a fair bit of guidance for math equations, so I've been surprised to not find anything for chemical structures!</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034233830097114</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034233830097114</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:44:47 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:41:31 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://glammr.us/@briney">@<span>briney</span></a></span> I do not know of any existing guidelines, but I do know this problem. Like all alt-text, I think it depends on purpose. "Structure of caffeine" may be sufficient in some circumstances, and not in others</p><p>I have written alt-text for quite a lot of very simple organic structures for use in introductory chemistry classes where the point of the image for sighted students is to recognize the structure or functional group. In those cases I describe the shapes and connectivity</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wandering.shop/users/belehaa/statuses/117034221033911935</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://wandering.shop/users/belehaa/statuses/117034221033911935</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[belehaa@wandering.shop]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:41:31 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I&#x27;m trying to find guidelines for writing alt text for chemical structures and the Google Scholar search for &quot;alt text chemical structure&quot; is embarassingly bad. on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:23:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, if you are aware of guidelines for writing good alt text for chemistry structure images (think organic chemistry with all of the chains and rings), let me know! <a href="https://glammr.us/tags/accessibility" rel="tag">#<span>accessibility</span></a> <a href="https://glammr.us/tags/a11y" rel="tag">#<span>a11y</span></a></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034151267011581</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://glammr.us/users/briney/statuses/117034151267011581</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[briney@glammr.us]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 23:23:47 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>