<![CDATA[All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia.]]>All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. If we were discussing how bad public transportation is, and someone replied "just transport yourself", most of us would say "that's not it". But when we discuss wanting to get out of large American tech or of nazi-sympathyzing companies, the solution can't be "just host your services yourself". Having to do everything yourself is not my idea of a functioning society.

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]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/e209acd5-df1d-4b60-aa8e-f9371d2a1bcb/all-this-self-host-techie-discourse-sounds-to-me-a-bit-like-a-self-sufficiency-dystopia.RSS for NodeTue, 29 Sep 2026 04:11:25 GMTSun, 06 Sep 2026 12:36:12 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Mon, 28 Sep 2026 05:22:04 GMT]]>@annasdtc same about laptops or phones nowadays really - “just install Linux” and thats the whole discourse

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dmitrylitosh/statuses/117346987206490256https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dmitrylitosh/statuses/117346987206490256Mon, 28 Sep 2026 05:22:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 22:17:42 GMT]]>@annasdtc Personally I feel like it's understandable that a lot of technical people are turning to in-house solutions given the current ecosystem and political climate.

There really is a time and place when it comes to suggesting such a solution to someone. Sometimes it's not appropriate to expect someone to build a particular piece of software.

The ideal solution would be that people begin to collaborate and provide alternate services which abide by good governance.

In the context of Open Source Software those projects usually start as the result of someone getting fed up of an unfulfilled need and then other people joining as the project gains traction. A push for people to work together on building software from the get go would be preferable to waiting for individuals to role their own software.

It feels like the main issue here is that these people are providing a very individualistic solution which assumes everyone has the same capability to build whatever the particular piece of software is.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/FoxFunction/statuses/117345318488640190https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/FoxFunction/statuses/117345318488640190Sun, 27 Sep 2026 22:17:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 22:07:07 GMT]]>@benjamin @annasdtc @geeeero (I would personally love to do that. But shocker... no one is paying me money to buy the equipment and/or make space for it, up to and including moving from my current house. And also, I'd have to go on a research binge and try/fail many times. Who can blame anyone for not wanting to fund that, really? :D)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/cr1901/statuses/117345276888065114https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/cr1901/statuses/117345276888065114Sun, 27 Sep 2026 22:07:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 19:03:58 GMT]]>@mia@movsw.0x0.st @annasdtc@sciences.social

it’s not always a black-and-white choice between self-hosting or entrusting tech companies with your data.

Correct, self-hosting is still infested with server-centrism brainworms.

Message-centric schemas, distributed schemas & p2p schemas (those are very much not mutually exclusive, either) are both a lot more resilient and less hostile to user agency.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://udongein.xyz/objects/e374ad9d-75e1-4451-825a-2fdb73d5d15ahttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://udongein.xyz/objects/e374ad9d-75e1-4451-825a-2fdb73d5d15aSun, 27 Sep 2026 19:03:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 18:07:38 GMT]]>@EregLoch @annasdtc As someone who's appeared on a list of names that made the front of HN, I'm going to add that if you draw enough bad attention - say, by signing a petition - you're going to get your systems attacked and if you're lucky it'll only achieve DoS. I can certainly think of easier and nastier things to do in the case of email if the attacker can cover their tracks enough.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://types.pl/users/flippac/statuses/117344335226732240https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://types.pl/users/flippac/statuses/117344335226732240Sun, 27 Sep 2026 18:07:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 18:07:15 GMT]]>@annasdtc
Y el problema no está tanto en externalizar nuestros datos y exponerlos al abuso por parte de los que deberían guardarlos y protegerlos o de quien nos engaña camuflando el que decidamos dejar que comercien o accedan o infieran datos nuestros que no deberían. El problema es que las leyes que nos protejen de estas cosas son ignoradas y los estados lo permiten, a sabiendas de quienes y para qué los usan. Delegamos nuestras vidas a los estados, la sociedad en la que vivimos nos traiciona.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.ai/users/MrBlogger/statuses/117344333660257059https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.ai/users/MrBlogger/statuses/117344333660257059Sun, 27 Sep 2026 18:07:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 18:02:16 GMT]]>@annasdtc
Por una parte tiene razón, por otra no la tiene. Todo lo que delegues en otros tiene sus problemas (igual que hacerlo todo uno mismo también los tiene). Delegamos la seguridad en la policía, pero muchas veces o no puede estar, o está con otra agenda. Delegamos la gestión de (todo o parte de) nuestras finanzas (en bancos, depósitos, asesores, etc) y nos exponemos a mala gestión o fraude. Si delegamos el control de nuestros activos digitales, pues estamos a expensas de estas cosas.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.ai/users/MrBlogger/statuses/117344314072795216https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://masto.ai/users/MrBlogger/statuses/117344314072795216Sun, 27 Sep 2026 18:02:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 17:01:39 GMT]]>@ered @annasdtc Yeah, this, or something like it. Because we don’t have the public-transit equivalent to a lot of these services.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://c.im/users/adamrice/statuses/117344075731608222https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://c.im/users/adamrice/statuses/117344075731608222Sun, 27 Sep 2026 17:01:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:58:39 GMT]]>@wolfgangcramer@fediscience.org @annasdtc@sciences.social And some people should, because they want to and it makes sense to want to, and to learn.
What of it?
Some folks are not going to be up to the task. My wife has a Master's in Library Science, she is an excellent blue ribbon winning baker. She has zero interest in self-hosting a website. She should not be required to.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/arnmn6gaxb8v02bchttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://blahaj.zone/notes/arnmn6gaxb8v02bcSun, 27 Sep 2026 16:58:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:52:00 GMT]]>@7666 @mia @annasdtc
fair

this ""deployment"" is an amalgamation of learning how things work and poor choices on top of somewhat relatively better decisions. its still jank as hell though]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ak.kyaruc.moe/objects/e02937a0-eb21-46f1-989c-39942db4c86fhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ak.kyaruc.moe/objects/e02937a0-eb21-46f1-989c-39942db4c86fSun, 27 Sep 2026 16:52:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:50:48 GMT]]>@house @theorytoe @mia @annasdtc this is the best i can do]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/1e817c37-74a8-4796-845f-fa8d65ebf596https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/1e817c37-74a8-4796-845f-fa8d65ebf596Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:50:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:50:08 GMT]]>@theorytoe @mia @annasdtc >I really dont run anything at a scale where proxmox is even a consideration

it was nice when this was true for me.

now i have 15 of em.]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/094935d6-4592-4754-8b98-e1b18c20eaf9https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/094935d6-4592-4754-8b98-e1b18c20eaf9Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:50:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:50:08 GMT]]>@7666 @theorytoe @mia @annasdtc
will u mail me a rack]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://annihilation.social/objects/8544fcf6-80d5-4dd7-ba77-41bbe61e734ehttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://annihilation.social/objects/8544fcf6-80d5-4dd7-ba77-41bbe61e734eSun, 27 Sep 2026 16:50:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:48:49 GMT]]>@7666 @mia @annasdtc
damn mr server santa claus over here

I really dont run anything at a scale where proxmox is even a consideration in my mind (although maybe I should be using it...)
but I probably wont mess with my hardware till I move somwhere more semi-permanent than where I am now]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ak.kyaruc.moe/objects/30d9d5a3-f256-48cb-9ee6-06f31659bb73https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ak.kyaruc.moe/objects/30d9d5a3-f256-48cb-9ee6-06f31659bb73Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:48:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:42:49 GMT]]>@annasdtc
To me, this is an interesting question indeed. Some want to make their own bread, and thereby understand how a real baker makes bread. Isn't self-hosting a bit of the same idea?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fediscience.org/users/wolfgangcramer/statuses/117344001664581606https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://fediscience.org/users/wolfgangcramer/statuses/117344001664581606Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:42:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:41:37 GMT]]>@theorytoe @mia @annasdtc depends. if you have a bazillion VPSes it starts to make sense to just run your own proxmox node. i also literally give hardware out for free i have a spreadsheet and everything.]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/8c9afeb5-c6a3-45a6-8a17-ae93044bb91bhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/8c9afeb5-c6a3-45a6-8a17-ae93044bb91bSun, 27 Sep 2026 16:41:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:39:41 GMT]]>@7666 @mia @annasdtc
OH ok yeah ive heard of that before then

I looked into that some time (years) ago but damn some of the rates are insane (I also do not have the money for actual server hardware anyway)]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ak.kyaruc.moe/objects/303e3e56-cd3e-439b-8304-d3148ccd5ae2https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ak.kyaruc.moe/objects/303e3e56-cd3e-439b-8304-d3148ccd5ae2Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:39:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:37:38 GMT]]>@theorytoe @mia @annasdtc colocation. you slap a server you own in someone else's rack and they provide power/networking/management/remote hands/etc.]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/27b50898-a4f8-4923-833b-4828ca1cacf1https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/27b50898-a4f8-4923-833b-4828ca1cacf1Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:37:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:36:16 GMT]]>@7666 @mia @annasdtc
>colo
I have never heard of this term before]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ak.kyaruc.moe/objects/4263b403-b47a-45d3-b86d-8271331035eehttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://ak.kyaruc.moe/objects/4263b403-b47a-45d3-b86d-8271331035eeSun, 27 Sep 2026 16:36:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:34:29 GMT]]>@mia @annasdtc this is been my primary motivation for providing colo services which very few hosting providers do anymore (because it is easier and more profit-dense to just offer 100% virtualized resources). there is a balance between "i am going to do ALL OF IT myself" and "please hold my hand i'm scared" and most people fall somewhere in the middle and accommodating that is very much aligned with my beliefs.

i do not recommend anyone try to do what i do wholesale as it's the extreme end of things. i literally have a datacenter in my basement and i'm running mini splits out windows. i have datacenter contracts that cost more than your average rent payment. it costs thousands and thousands of dollars to set up all this and a whole lot of headaches to maintain it. colo is great because it's entirely that person's hardware so they get full self hosting cred and i do all the hard and expensive shit on that person's behalf like doing routing on the public internet, inventory management, security, etc. plus i get to teach people how this shit works.

it's about as close to a "co-op" as possible although I have some corporate shenanigans to do later next year to restructure the company a little closer to an actual co-op model (US B corp)]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/a46c9029-68a9-409c-a805-4fa20b507816https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://comp.lain.la/objects/a46c9029-68a9-409c-a805-4fa20b507816Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:34:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:34:00 GMT]]>@annasdtc rather like "grow your own vegables" or "make your own clothes"

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.me.uk/users/fishidwardrobe/statuses/117343966998343488https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.me.uk/users/fishidwardrobe/statuses/117343966998343488Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:34:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:09:34 GMT]]>@annasdtc >If we were discussing how bad public transportation is, and someone replied "just transport yourself", most of us would say "that's not it".
very few normal people would say that public transport is better than a car, especially if they live in the real world and not in delusion

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://nexus.asbestos.cafe/objects/01a0e3a1-01be-7e02-9ef1-78dd88eebf94https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://nexus.asbestos.cafe/objects/01a0e3a1-01be-7e02-9ef1-78dd88eebf94Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:09:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:08:37 GMT]]>@annasdtc it may not be yours, but it is an ideal society for many. you don't have to do everything yourself, but a community you trust should help you with it

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://nexus.asbestos.cafe/objects/01a0e3a0-2275-7773-9f44-ef4187c5b22ahttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://nexus.asbestos.cafe/objects/01a0e3a0-2275-7773-9f44-ef4187c5b22aSun, 27 Sep 2026 16:08:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All this self-host techie discourse sounds, to me, a bit like a self-sufficiency dystopia. on Sun, 27 Sep 2026 15:43:10 GMT]]>@annasdtc yeah having to do everything yourself sucks. and that’s coming from someone who picks DIY over other options every time. the thing is, i mostly do that because i like broadening my skillset, because new experiences are fun, all that. the part where i have to (like when the healthcare system sucks and i gotta homebrew HRT) just makes me angry.

but, and you should know this because you’re on the fediverse, it’s not always a black-and-white choice between self-hosting or entrusting tech companies with your data. we can still help each other as a community. things aren’t that dystopian yet, and we should keep working to steer clear of that timeline.

i don’t think incentivizing people to self-host whenever some corp screws up is bad per se, but i think we should go a bit further and also equip those interested with better tools and know-how for doing that in a way that allows them to host for a community without too much risk or effort.

and the sooner we normalize that the better, because sweeping regulations aimed solely at corps have already resulted in collateral damage that makes running such things unfeasible for a lot of people.

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