<![CDATA[Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/]]>Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/topic/f53ee35d-5e04-407a-b7a5-77b37befa966/truly-evil-lobbying-example-https-www.politico.eu-article-europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warnsRSS for NodeMon, 22 Jun 2026 11:52:56 GMTThu, 18 Jun 2026 08:44:05 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:46:15 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog Mass murders telling on themselves:

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/ap/users/115731790292654369/statuses/116772357788060285https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/ap/users/115731790292654369/statuses/116772357788060285Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:46:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:31:25 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog
It could be worse, they could power it from the Polish power grid \s

(~75% coal and oil + 20% gas power mix)

@blogdiva

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116772299416947339https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116772299416947339Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:31:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:28:27 GMT]]>@bontchev
I've got a surprise answer for that sinophobic trope: China has already won, being the world's factory. As in real, material things.

The “West” looking for a new grift has found “AI”. A ineffective, anti-intelectual, technology, that cannot generate a cent of ROI, except for the shovel seller, which needs to finance it's clients.

(And even then China, with bans on chips, has developed a less resource-wasting model.)

So are you a TEACREAL cultist?

@GossiTheDog

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116772287805586228https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116772287805586228Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:28:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:19:49 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog "if we don't accelerate global warming then China will build bigger server farms than us," wow, that's a really convincing case. obviously I'm being sardonic here but the wretched thing is, European (and American) politicians respond reliably to Sinophobia

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://seattle.pink/ap/users/115855847980876292/statuses/116772253826531651https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://seattle.pink/ap/users/115855847980876292/statuses/116772253826531651Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:19:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:18:44 GMT]]>@datarama
I will wait impatiently for his Behind The Bastards episode.

Or even better, Respect The Dead (A Podcast Where They Don't).

@drahardja @GossiTheDog

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116772249550417223https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dzwiedziu/statuses/116772249550417223Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:18:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 16:59:23 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog
The following applies here:

https://pluralistic.net/2026/06/18/their-trillions-our-billions/#eyes-on-the-prize

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/rogerb/statuses/116772173465477248https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/rogerb/statuses/116772173465477248Thu, 18 Jun 2026 16:59:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 16:03:50 GMT]]>@bontchev @GossiTheDog

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/dec23k/statuses/116771955078027182https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/dec23k/statuses/116771955078027182Thu, 18 Jun 2026 16:03:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 14:39:21 GMT]]>@dec23k @GossiTheDog In fact, if the Titanic had hit the iceberg dead ahead, it wouldn't have sunk. But trying to steer around it caused the iceberg to shear the ship's side, flooding several waterproof compartments.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/bontchev/statuses/116771622846034081https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/bontchev/statuses/116771622846034081Thu, 18 Jun 2026 14:39:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 14:33:15 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog
Especially odd to even think of considering this trade off given that over the next 20 or 30 years climate change will hit Europe harder than the USA, Russia or China.
I'm sure it hasn't occurred to any of the interested parties that increasing the number of damaging weather events would hit the European economy, demoralise its people, and raise support for authoritarian governments to "sort it out, whatever it takes".

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/rogerb/statuses/116771598834664365https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/rogerb/statuses/116771598834664365Thu, 18 Jun 2026 14:33:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 14:04:39 GMT]]>@bontchev @GossiTheDog
"ICEBERG, DEAD AHEAD!"

"THIS TECHNOLOGY IS INEVITABLE, FULL STEAM AHEAD!"

https://mas.to/@gabrielesvelto/116760705891632432

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/dec23k/statuses/116771486426424449https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/dec23k/statuses/116771486426424449Thu, 18 Jun 2026 14:04:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 13:22:41 GMT]]>@bontchev @GossiTheDog

It'd be pretty hard to fall behind the US in governance and science policy, so we needn't take any positive lessons from them. Europe is full of people, and people need a livable environment more than they need China not to "win" something left unstated.

Catch up on computing power or catch up on computing sovereignty? Not the same thing. The "more gigawatts is better computing" approach is gallons-per-mile thinking.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/petealexharris/statuses/116771321380094645https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.scot/users/petealexharris/statuses/116771321380094645Thu, 18 Jun 2026 13:22:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 12:16:48 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social dipshits

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.fringesec.ca/objects/732bcf43-b1fe-4426-a844-efd54f40a8aahttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://social.fringesec.ca/objects/732bcf43-b1fe-4426-a844-efd54f40a8aaThu, 18 Jun 2026 12:16:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 11:33:04 GMT]]>@retrocomputing @GossiTheDog There are lots of ways to make tools that do things with much much less power, but there are no incentives whatsoever for these companies to use them. Their answer is always to throw more power at the ”problem”.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/ahltorp/statuses/116770890333822783https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.nu/users/ahltorp/statuses/116770890333822783Thu, 18 Jun 2026 11:33:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 11:15:53 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social You'd hope tactics like this would be self-defeating, but unfortunately that "hope" is bearing rather a lot of weight I'm not sure it can support.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bonfire.mavnn.eu/pub/objects/01KVD73NC8CPMBS6FPA21E1F0Dhttps://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://bonfire.mavnn.eu/pub/objects/01KVD73NC8CPMBS6FPA21E1F0DThu, 18 Jun 2026 11:15:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:58:57 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog
They don't have an real choices any more - with nuclear power an AI they must be content to live as beasts of the field.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/sebastianbelmacuse/statuses/116770756171348549https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/sebastianbelmacuse/statuses/116770756171348549Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:58:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:38:40 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog considering the AI industry is a trillion dollars in debt and solar is profitable, the ethics don't even really need to be considered. Don't do things that don't make sense. Simple.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/bdf2121cc3334b35b6ecda66e471/statuses/116770676466826820https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/bdf2121cc3334b35b6ecda66e471/statuses/116770676466826820Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:38:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:27:52 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog I find it weird that Politico has an image in the article showing heat pipes from a cooling system of a datacenter. This has nothing to do with the actual topic.

And the main issue is not if we have the power to run the datacenters, but the needed emergency generators, which currently all are based on gas turbines, the most convenient solution. Imagine having a gigawatt datacenter, how many gas turbines would you need to run it in case the main power drops down?

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Brokar/statuses/116770633960446455https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Brokar/statuses/116770633960446455Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:27:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:45:49 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog tbh I feel like everybody is pretty much in alignment that we need to choose between ai and a livable planet, people are just making their choices 🤷

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gush.taks.garden/note/9d81f5e1-373c-4d59-a887-78a70a085955https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://gush.taks.garden/note/9d81f5e1-373c-4d59-a887-78a70a085955Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:45:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:32:18 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog what is this, an episode of "Captain Planet"??

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://existiert.ch/users/leberschnitzel/statuses/116770415489126297https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://existiert.ch/users/leberschnitzel/statuses/116770415489126297Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:32:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:31:28 GMT]]>@drahardja @GossiTheDog (also, I sometimes find myself wondering whether modern-day tech cultists - most of whom are nominally atheist - are an example of people who haven't really been able to find comfort or make meaning in a godless world. The exact kind of nihilism that Nietzsche warned about 150 years ago.)

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/datarama/statuses/116770412170634302https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/datarama/statuses/116770412170634302Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:31:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:26:35 GMT]]>@drahardja @GossiTheDog I'm a third-generation atheist (possibly more), and I genuinely miss mostly having to butt heads with the kind of apocalyptic cult who didn't think they'd have to build God themselves first.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/datarama/statuses/116770392981672947https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/datarama/statuses/116770392981672947Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:26:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:24:05 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog He's absolutely right though. You can either "go green" to "save the plant", sanction Russian gas, fall behind the USA, and let China win. Or you could try to catch up on computing power by increasing energy production as much as possible. You can't do both. The EU must choose. I'm sure that it will make the wrong choice, as usual.

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/bontchev/statuses/116770383193351673https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/bontchev/statuses/116770383193351673Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:24:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:17:28 GMT]]>@drahardja @GossiTheDog clearly you've never talked to a "longtermist" or other tech cultist.

(or you've successfully repressed that sad experience).

I've worked with one, who genuinely thought humanity should commit collective suicide after building AI, to leave our resources to the "successor intelligence".

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/datarama/statuses/116770357153671798https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/datarama/statuses/116770357153671798Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:17:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/ on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:15:42 GMT]]>@GossiTheDog
I'm still astonished that no one has kicked the AI designers back to the drawing board, to only come back when they can provide a normal, power-efficient implementation of their tools...

]]>https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/retrocomputing/statuses/116770350230368828https://forum.fedi.dk/post/https://mastodon.social/users/retrocomputing/statuses/116770350230368828Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:15:42 GMT