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  • smitten_@key.portend.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #14

    Glad to see more people having this idea! The problems we ran into were in helping the browser understand the address and know where to forward. Each server implements lookup routes differently, so there's not necessarily a generic path that you can trust is available on https on the person's home server, even if you know their home server origin. So in some ways the feature should be offered by your home server software, maybe offering a website that does the handler registration to its known lookup/redirect address.

    But that is limiting in a few ways. It's a lot of extra steps for each person to do (browsers' default UI for registering protocols is not obvious or easy). It doesn't carry over to different devices, and if you have more than one home server in some way, you are back dealing with that not-great browser UI to pick which handler you want.

    In general people are more accustomed to registering protocols to apps they have installed, especially phone apps. It's much easier to register them there and you don't have to have approval flow UI, but taking that approach moves this whole served handler route out of the backend again, so we have to start thinking more along the lines of web+ap-compatible servers that handler clients know how to call or bounce to.

    @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social @SoniEx2@chaos.social @rimu@piefed.social

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    • smitten_@key.portend.placeS smitten_@key.portend.place

      Glad to see more people having this idea! The problems we ran into were in helping the browser understand the address and know where to forward. Each server implements lookup routes differently, so there's not necessarily a generic path that you can trust is available on https on the person's home server, even if you know their home server origin. So in some ways the feature should be offered by your home server software, maybe offering a website that does the handler registration to its known lookup/redirect address.

      But that is limiting in a few ways. It's a lot of extra steps for each person to do (browsers' default UI for registering protocols is not obvious or easy). It doesn't carry over to different devices, and if you have more than one home server in some way, you are back dealing with that not-great browser UI to pick which handler you want.

      In general people are more accustomed to registering protocols to apps they have installed, especially phone apps. It's much easier to register them there and you don't have to have approval flow UI, but taking that approach moves this whole served handler route out of the backend again, so we have to start thinking more along the lines of web+ap-compatible servers that handler clients know how to call or bounce to.

      @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social @SoniEx2@chaos.social @rimu@piefed.social

      smitten_@key.portend.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #15

      Also I want to highlight this excellent comment by Yumechi about fingerprinting and de-anonymization risks.

      https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-07d7-a-custom-url-scheme-and-web-based-protocol-handlers-for-linking-to-activitypub-resources/3588/53

      @SoniEx2@chaos.social @silverpill@mitra.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @rimu@piefed.social

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      • smitten_@key.portend.placeS smitten_@key.portend.place

        Also I want to highlight this excellent comment by Yumechi about fingerprinting and de-anonymization risks.

        https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-07d7-a-custom-url-scheme-and-web-based-protocol-handlers-for-linking-to-activitypub-resources/3588/53

        @SoniEx2@chaos.social @silverpill@mitra.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @rimu@piefed.social

        silverpill@mitra.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #16

        @smitten_ Do you know what is the status of Fedilinks? Has it been abandoned?
        FEP-07d7 was withdrawn, and other proposals have even less support than these two.

        @SoniEx2 @julian @rimu @activitypub

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        • tchambers@indieweb.socialT tchambers@indieweb.social

          @julian I write about this here: near zero mobile browser support but strong desktop browser support- and I suggest a JavaScript fallback for the others …. https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/24/the-seven-deadly-fediverse-ux.html

          rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nzR This user is from outside of this forum
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          #17

          @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

          Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

          The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

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          • rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nzR rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz

            @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

            Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

            The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

            silverpill@mitra.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #18

            @rimu @tchambers @julian

            Neat.

            @smitten_ Check it out

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            • rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nzR rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz

              @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

              Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

              The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

              julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              #19

              rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz what happens if a browser that doesn’t understand protocol handlers encounters this scheme?

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              • rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nzR rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz

                @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

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                #20

                This is so great, I feel like whenever this idea comes up it's just so difficult to explain to people what it would feel like to use. (and why it's helpful!)

                You talked about changing the address yourself in the browser bar which is already easier than loading up your home server and going through the step to lookup. For me what excited me about this idea was that people could be displaying the links in pages. You often see it with a socials section at the bottom of someone's blog, they link to their profile on their server when what I want them to link to is their profile with the web+ap protocol.

                But this leads to another big UX problem, the links are useless if you don't have a handler registered. There is no fallback mechanism your browser will just ask you what you want to open it with and have an empty list of suggestions. So I think it would need to have a recognizable way to be communicated to the user, a consistent icon for the link and a memorable name because only people who knew they set up a handler would want them.

                @rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz @tchambers@indieweb.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social

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                • smitten_@key.portend.placeS smitten_@key.portend.place

                  This is so great, I feel like whenever this idea comes up it's just so difficult to explain to people what it would feel like to use. (and why it's helpful!)

                  You talked about changing the address yourself in the browser bar which is already easier than loading up your home server and going through the step to lookup. For me what excited me about this idea was that people could be displaying the links in pages. You often see it with a socials section at the bottom of someone's blog, they link to their profile on their server when what I want them to link to is their profile with the web+ap protocol.

                  But this leads to another big UX problem, the links are useless if you don't have a handler registered. There is no fallback mechanism your browser will just ask you what you want to open it with and have an empty list of suggestions. So I think it would need to have a recognizable way to be communicated to the user, a consistent icon for the link and a memorable name because only people who knew they set up a handler would want them.

                  @rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz @tchambers@indieweb.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social

                  julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #21

                  smitten_@key.portend.place might I suggest appropriating the ActivityPub logo? For lack of a better option.

                  There’s the “networked nodes” fediverse logo but it really loses its effect when made small.

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                  • rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nzR rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz

                    @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                    Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                    The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

                    julian@activitypub.spaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #22

                    There are quite a few dialogues, yes… but once the initial setup is done it looks alright.

                    Curious… because when I open magnet:// links, there’s no confirmation on subsequent links once I’ve done the initial handler assignment. It looks to be something reserved for web+ handlers, which is a little annoying, isn’t it.

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                    • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

                      I’m going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user’s home instance.

                      https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Navigator/registerProtocolHandler

                      Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I’m thinking web+fedi.

                      evan@activitypub.spaceE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #23

                      rimu@piefed.social I’ve been using web+acct for the acct URI format.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acct_URI_scheme

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