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What PieFed's "social credit system" actually does

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  • snoopy@piefed.socialS snoopy@piefed.social

    Just like Reddit, PieFed keeps track of how many upvotes and downvotes your posts receive and the net value of all the votes received is called your “reputation” (Reddit calls it “karma”). This is not shown in the UI anywhere (except to administrators), to dissuade the karma-farming behavior common on Reddit. Reputation is not a game or status symbol, it is a mechanic for enhancing trust and safety on PieFed.

    Some people have criticized PieFed for this, calling it a “social credit system” similar to the one in China so I thought it’d be good to explain exactly what it does so people don’t need to guess or rely on hearsay.

    rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR This user is from outside of this forum
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    rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip
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    #2

    I think the attitude system is insane when the fediverse is filled with so many people who deserve every downvote they get.

    sibbo@sopuli.xyzS T libertylizard@slrpnk.netL X O 7 Replies Last reply
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    • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

      I think the attitude system is insane when the fediverse is filled with so many people who deserve every downvote they get.

      sibbo@sopuli.xyzS This user is from outside of this forum
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      sibbo@sopuli.xyz
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #3

      I think that there is a lot more content worthy of upvotes than there is worthy of downvotes in the fediverse.

      rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR B 2 Replies Last reply
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      • sibbo@sopuli.xyzS sibbo@sopuli.xyz

        I think that there is a lot more content worthy of upvotes than there is worthy of downvotes in the fediverse.

        rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR This user is from outside of this forum
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        rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #4

        One day altruism and hope will fail you and you will become a jaded curmudgeon like me.

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        • sibbo@sopuli.xyzS sibbo@sopuli.xyz

          I think that there is a lot more content worthy of upvotes than there is worthy of downvotes in the fediverse.

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          blametheantifa@lemmy.world
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          #5

          Both things are true.

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          • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

            One day altruism and hope will fail you and you will become a jaded curmudgeon like me.

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            inlandempire@jlai.lu
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #6

            i read your comment with the voice in w40k mechanicus trailer

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            • B blametheantifa@lemmy.world

              Both things are true.

              gedfromgont@piefed.caG This user is from outside of this forum
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              gedfromgont@piefed.ca
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #7

              Shit. What do I do now.

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              • snoopy@piefed.socialS snoopy@piefed.social

                Just like Reddit, PieFed keeps track of how many upvotes and downvotes your posts receive and the net value of all the votes received is called your “reputation” (Reddit calls it “karma”). This is not shown in the UI anywhere (except to administrators), to dissuade the karma-farming behavior common on Reddit. Reputation is not a game or status symbol, it is a mechanic for enhancing trust and safety on PieFed.

                Some people have criticized PieFed for this, calling it a “social credit system” similar to the one in China so I thought it’d be good to explain exactly what it does so people don’t need to guess or rely on hearsay.

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                cybersec@piefed.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #8

                I think it might be fine? I like systems that reinforce trust and dissuade bad behavior as long as they aren’t draconian.

                snoopy@piefed.socialS 1 Reply Last reply
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                • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

                  I think the attitude system is insane when the fediverse is filled with so many people who deserve every downvote they get.

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                  tidderuuf@lemmy.world
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #9

                  Those sound like fightin’ words!

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                  • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

                    I think the attitude system is insane when the fediverse is filled with so many people who deserve every downvote they get.

                    libertylizard@slrpnk.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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                    libertylizard@slrpnk.net
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #10

                    I mean it’s all relative right? Sure we all get downvoted sometimes but if you’re getting downvoted way more than the average person you might be doing something the community doesn’t want you to.

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                    • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

                      I think the attitude system is insane when the fediverse is filled with so many people who deserve every downvote they get.

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                      xle@piefed.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #11

                      The attitude system is about the downvotes somebody gives, not the ones they receive.

                      And I think it’s a good thing. If downvoting is disincentivized, then downvotes themselves are more significant.

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                      • snoopy@piefed.socialS snoopy@piefed.social

                        Just like Reddit, PieFed keeps track of how many upvotes and downvotes your posts receive and the net value of all the votes received is called your “reputation” (Reddit calls it “karma”). This is not shown in the UI anywhere (except to administrators), to dissuade the karma-farming behavior common on Reddit. Reputation is not a game or status symbol, it is a mechanic for enhancing trust and safety on PieFed.

                        Some people have criticized PieFed for this, calling it a “social credit system” similar to the one in China so I thought it’d be good to explain exactly what it does so people don’t need to guess or rely on hearsay.

                        meejle@piefed.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        meejle@piefed.world
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #12

                        I always thought the two red triangles were a UX bug. Looks weird.

                        snoopy@piefed.socialS 1 Reply Last reply
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                        • libertylizard@slrpnk.netL libertylizard@slrpnk.net

                          I mean it’s all relative right? Sure we all get downvoted sometimes but if you’re getting downvoted way more than the average person you might be doing something the community doesn’t want you to.

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                          satansmaggotycumfart@piefed.world
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                          #13

                          The attitude system is how many times you downvote other people.

                          libertylizard@slrpnk.netL 1 Reply Last reply
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                          • X xle@piefed.social

                            The attitude system is about the downvotes somebody gives, not the ones they receive.

                            And I think it’s a good thing. If downvoting is disincentivized, then downvotes themselves are more significant.

                            rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR This user is from outside of this forum
                            rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR This user is from outside of this forum
                            rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #14

                            I… Know. I read the post. And thatsl’s what I’m saying.

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                            • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

                              I… Know. I read the post. And thatsl’s what I’m saying.

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                              xle@piefed.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #15

                              Guess I’m confused about why you brought up the Attitude rating then.

                              A profile’s attitude (votes given ) has no correlation to a “low reputation” status (votes received ).

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                              • X xle@piefed.social

                                Guess I’m confused about why you brought up the Attitude rating then.

                                A profile’s attitude (votes given ) has no correlation to a “low reputation” status (votes received ).

                                rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip
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                                #16

                                Saying people have a bad attitude because other people suck is rude.

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                                • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

                                  Saying people have a bad attitude because other people suck is rude.

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                                  xle@piefed.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #17

                                  Attitude only affects people who only downvote. Let’s say there’s a community with 100 people. 99 of them participate in good faith and make good content and the final one participates in bad faith and makes bad content. One day, all of them make a post and vote on everybody else’s posts.

                                  The result: 99 good faith community members have posts with score of 98 and an Attitude of ~98%. 1 bad faith community member has a post with a score of -98 and an Attitude of -100% (or 0% because I forget how this works exactly)

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                                  • S satansmaggotycumfart@piefed.world

                                    The attitude system is how many times you downvote other people.

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                                    libertylizard@slrpnk.net
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                                    #18

                                    Oh thanks I felt like I was missing something.

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                                    • libertylizard@slrpnk.netL libertylizard@slrpnk.net

                                      Oh thanks I felt like I was missing something.

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                                      satansmaggotycumfart@piefed.world
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                                      #19

                                      The reputation is the hidden score that if you’re below whatever threshold it displays the red triangle(s) by your name.

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                                      • meejle@piefed.worldM meejle@piefed.world

                                        I always thought the two red triangles were a UX bug. Looks weird.

                                        snoopy@piefed.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        snoopy@piefed.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #20

                                        If you move you mouse over, or finger, you can obtain the reason 🙂

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                                        • C cybersec@piefed.social

                                          I think it might be fine? I like systems that reinforce trust and dissuade bad behavior as long as they aren’t draconian.

                                          snoopy@piefed.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          snoopy@piefed.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #21

                                          We use it that way, we want to disuade bad behaviour. As it is explained, there is very few users that reach veny low score.

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