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What PieFed's "social credit system" actually does

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  • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

    I think the attitude system is insane when the fediverse is filled with so many people who deserve every downvote they get.

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    otterpop@lemmy.world
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    #22

    On the flip side, the fediverse tends to have a pretty strong monoculture. You can collect down votes just by disagreeing with someone respectfully or stating your view point here.

    Maybe it it’s numbers grow, it will become a bit less of an echo chamber.

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    • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

      I think the attitude system is insane when the fediverse is filled with so many people who deserve every downvote they get.

      rimu@piefed.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      rimu@piefed.social
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      #23

      Yes although if you’re only here to downvote bad content then perhaps your focus is in the wrong place.

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      • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

        Yes although if you’re only here to downvote bad content then perhaps your focus is in the wrong place.

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        rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip
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        #24

        Not naming any names coughfrongtcough

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        • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

          Yes although if you’re only here to downvote bad content then perhaps your focus is in the wrong place.

          grail@multiverse.soulism.netG This user is from outside of this forum
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          grail@multiverse.soulism.net
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          #25

          I introduced some friends to piefed, and told them about the attitude system. They said they only downvote because remembering to upvote is too hard for their ADHD. So they said on piefed, they just won’t vote.

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          • snoopy@piefed.socialS snoopy@piefed.social

            If you move you mouse over, or finger, you can obtain the reason 🙂

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            grail@multiverse.soulism.net
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            #26

            They mean the fact there’s two instead of one

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            • grail@multiverse.soulism.netG grail@multiverse.soulism.net

              I introduced some friends to piefed, and told them about the attitude system. They said they only downvote because remembering to upvote is too hard for their ADHD. So they said on piefed, they just won’t vote.

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              rimu@piefed.social
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              #27

              Yeah if someone can’t tell the difference it’s probably better if they don’t vote?

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              • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

                Yeah if someone can’t tell the difference it’s probably better if they don’t vote?

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                grail@multiverse.soulism.net
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                #28

                They can tell the difference. What they’re saying is, good posts don’t elicit a strong enough emotional reaction to get them to upvote. It’s not part of their workflow.

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                • O otterpop@lemmy.world

                  On the flip side, the fediverse tends to have a pretty strong monoculture. You can collect down votes just by disagreeing with someone respectfully or stating your view point here.

                  Maybe it it’s numbers grow, it will become a bit less of an echo chamber.

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                  xle@piefed.social
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                  #29

                  I found that out the fun way by having the unpopular opinion of “we shouldn’t encourage 4chan-style doxxing threats over server drama”. The admin of lemmy.zip banned me from the server, presumably because it was somebody from that server pushing for that behavior.

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                  • snoopy@piefed.socialS snoopy@piefed.social

                    If you move you mouse over, or finger, you can obtain the reason 🙂

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                    xle@piefed.social
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                    #30

                    I think I get Grail’s point. One red warning makes sense, but most of the time I see one, there will be a second with a nearly identical description.

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                    • grail@multiverse.soulism.netG grail@multiverse.soulism.net

                      They can tell the difference. What they’re saying is, good posts don’t elicit a strong enough emotional reaction to get them to upvote. It’s not part of their workflow.

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                      xle@piefed.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #31

                      Reading insightful conversations and giving them a little ⬆️ gives me a positive dopamine rush.

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                      • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

                        Not naming any names coughfrongtcough

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                        xle@piefed.social
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                        #32

                        FWIW I looked at your Attitude rating and can say that unless you were trying to juice the numbers somehow, you fall well within what I’d consider normal patterns of upvote/downvote. The algorithm considers you to be far less negative than you may think you are.

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                        • snoopy@piefed.socialS snoopy@piefed.social

                          Just like Reddit, PieFed keeps track of how many upvotes and downvotes your posts receive and the net value of all the votes received is called your “reputation” (Reddit calls it “karma”). This is not shown in the UI anywhere (except to administrators), to dissuade the karma-farming behavior common on Reddit. Reputation is not a game or status symbol, it is a mechanic for enhancing trust and safety on PieFed.

                          Some people have criticized PieFed for this, calling it a “social credit system” similar to the one in China so I thought it’d be good to explain exactly what it does so people don’t need to guess or rely on hearsay.

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                          cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone
                          wrote sidst redigeret af cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone
                          #33

                          Yeah I saw people freaking out over it like it was the end of the world, or even a bad thing really. Thanks for the clear explanation.

                          That said, I wish I could at least see my own, of nobody else’s.

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                          • grail@multiverse.soulism.netG grail@multiverse.soulism.net

                            They mean the fact there’s two instead of one

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                            snoopy@piefed.social
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                            #34

                            Oh i get it, thank 🙂

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                            • rickyrigatoni@piefed.zipR rickyrigatoni@piefed.zip

                              I think the attitude system is insane when the fediverse is filled with so many people who deserve every downvote they get.

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                              atro_city@fedia.io
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                              #35

                              Attitude system?

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                              • snoopy@piefed.socialS snoopy@piefed.social

                                Just like Reddit, PieFed keeps track of how many upvotes and downvotes your posts receive and the net value of all the votes received is called your “reputation” (Reddit calls it “karma”). This is not shown in the UI anywhere (except to administrators), to dissuade the karma-farming behavior common on Reddit. Reputation is not a game or status symbol, it is a mechanic for enhancing trust and safety on PieFed.

                                Some people have criticized PieFed for this, calling it a “social credit system” similar to the one in China so I thought it’d be good to explain exactly what it does so people don’t need to guess or rely on hearsay.

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                                atro_city@fedia.io
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                                #36

                                I wish “votes” were multi-dimensional. “Yes/No”, “Good/Bad”, etc. is just too simple for the amount of nuance that exists. For example I could agree with somebody’s statement, but disagree with their tone.

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