Piefed's Anonymous Voting situation.
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Piefed currently has anonymous — or more accurately, pseudonymous, voting.
You mean up/downvotes?
My wish is that a user should have the option to deactivate votes for themselves and not see any at all.
I don’t care to see my Account ‘Attitude’ counter move up or down, but i don’t have the option to not see it. And why should I bother? I don’t participate in a popularity contest, right? When I post it is to ask questions and to share ideas and infos with other users. For that purpose I care a lot more about reading their reasoning for (not) liking a message of mine, or why they think what I said is not correct. Their comment can help enrich the discussion or help realize I was indeed wrong in what I said.
That being said, I also know posting an actual reply/comment requires a lot more efforts than voting. A lot of extra work many users are not willing to put in. So, wanting piefed to grow, I’m fine with votes being a thing
However, while it works great to hide votes from casual users, the current system is trivially easy to correlate accounts to their voting profiles
You mean realize that someone could trace my own up/downvotes patterns?
Mine is easy to spot: I don’t use votes much and use it mostly to promote content that I consider useful/enriching. I don’t vote as a way to say ‘I agree’, or ‘I disagree’ and I seldom downvote… most of those because the poster was not contributing at all to the discussion, wasting our time.
I don’t care if anyone thinks it’s worth ‘spying’ on my votes: be my guest, I suppose. Just, maybe, try to remember this:
- we all get one single life on this planet. Maybe there are more interesting things to do with the limited time we have?
- if you really want to know something (not personal) about me, maybe just ask me? It may be much simpler
I’m curious to see if other users consider what you described an issue and if anyone else, like, would like it to be able to complete;y ignore the voting mechanism?
Edit: clarifications
No. I mean last I was aware piefed votes are not tied to your account. You have an anonymous “voting account” seperate from your account.
this makes you think they’re private. But in reality its really easy to link those accounts.
BTW I completely hide vote counts on posts, I use the voyager frontend for this
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Wasn’t private voting removed?
Oh I wasn’t aware if it was!
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No. I mean last I was aware piefed votes are not tied to your account. You have an anonymous “voting account” seperate from your account.
this makes you think they’re private. But in reality its really easy to link those accounts.
BTW I completely hide vote counts on posts, I use the voyager frontend for this
Oh, thx for the clarification (and feel free to ignore my own noise, then).
Never heard of that. What is it used for?
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Oh I wasn’t aware if it was!
Afaik the feature you mentioned, which voted via an sockpuppet proxy, was replaced with votes that don’t federate.
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No. I mean last I was aware piefed votes are not tied to your account. You have an anonymous “voting account” seperate from your account.
this makes you think they’re private. But in reality its really easy to link those accounts.
BTW I completely hide vote counts on posts, I use the voyager frontend for this
BTW I completely hide vote counts on posts, I use the voyager frontend for this
I only browse on my PC using the browser and I can’t find any option to hide those. I barely use my phone to be honest and refuse to use any social platform on it (privacy concerns).
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BTW I completely hide vote counts on posts, I use the voyager frontend for this
I only browse on my PC using the browser and I can’t find any option to hide those. I barely use my phone to be honest and refuse to use any social platform on it (privacy concerns).
That can be done for the web version by adding some CSS: https://piefed.social/post/958360
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Piefed currently has anonymous — or more accurately, pseudonymous, voting.
which in my opinion is a great thing. I really think this feature is important.
However, while it works great to hide votes from casual users, the current system is trivially easy to correlate accounts to their voting profiles. Unless they adopt specific behaviours with large friction (ie. not voting on any post or comment you reply to, not voting on any community you participate in). And even then, timestamps of activity and general activity level will probably still be enough.
My question basically is, is there a plan to mitigate this? Possibly through optional features like voting profiles being ephemeral (like you get reassigned a new one every X weeks or posts).
Btw really appreciate you, piefed devs.
What is the benefit to private votes? When the process is opaque it will be easier to abuse by advertisers or bots and whatnot
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What is the benefit to private votes? When the process is opaque it will be easier to abuse by advertisers or bots and whatnot
Abuse goes both ways. Some people get “stalked” or exposed in a not-so-nice way, or they want a platform closer to absolute privacy to feel free. Or they don’t want anybody to be able to look up what sex fetish they partake in. The government to know which anti-government protests they upvote… Some people go on down-voting sprees, do brigading, have bot armies…
Anonymity and privacy can (and will) be abused. But there’s also many reasons to have (online) privacy.
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Oh I wasn’t aware if it was!
Long press your mouse button on the Up/Downvote Button to choose between local and federated voting.
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Piefed currently has anonymous — or more accurately, pseudonymous, voting.
which in my opinion is a great thing. I really think this feature is important.
However, while it works great to hide votes from casual users, the current system is trivially easy to correlate accounts to their voting profiles. Unless they adopt specific behaviours with large friction (ie. not voting on any post or comment you reply to, not voting on any community you participate in). And even then, timestamps of activity and general activity level will probably still be enough.
My question basically is, is there a plan to mitigate this? Possibly through optional features like voting profiles being ephemeral (like you get reassigned a new one every X weeks or posts).
Btw really appreciate you, piefed devs.
I don’t see a point in voting as a community thing. Its just not applied by individuals consistantly enough for it to be useful. I love the idea of rating things to make a custom feed like what trust cafe does. Then when you downvote its because you don’t want to see stuff like that in your feed as much or you want to push down annoying peoples comments. Peoples opinions make total sense for their own experience but thats about it.
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Piefed currently has anonymous — or more accurately, pseudonymous, voting.
which in my opinion is a great thing. I really think this feature is important.
However, while it works great to hide votes from casual users, the current system is trivially easy to correlate accounts to their voting profiles. Unless they adopt specific behaviours with large friction (ie. not voting on any post or comment you reply to, not voting on any community you participate in). And even then, timestamps of activity and general activity level will probably still be enough.
My question basically is, is there a plan to mitigate this? Possibly through optional features like voting profiles being ephemeral (like you get reassigned a new one every X weeks or posts).
Btw really appreciate you, piefed devs.
is trivially easy to correlate accounts to their voting profiles. Unless they adopt specific behaviours with large friction (ie. not voting on any post or comment you reply to, not voting on any community you participate in
That does not sound trivial to me. Also, I regularly vote on things I don’t reply to and vote in random communities.
I don’t see this as a big problem. This IS a big problem.
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Oh I wasn’t aware if it was!
The change was announced here, see links from there describing why and a poll where people overwhelmingly voted (hehe) to drop the anonymized voting system.
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That can be done for the web version by adding some CSS: https://piefed.social/post/958360
Thx, I will look at that
is this something to add (somewhere) in the browser or to use in an extension like uBO?
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Thx, I will look at that
is this something to add (somewhere) in the browser or to use in an extension like uBO?
You add it in your PieFed profile settings. PieFed itself does this. Short instruction is pinned to the CSS community: https://piefed.social/post/853802
Gear icon on the top right, should bring you to the Settings tab for your account. Then scroll down to “Additional CSS” and copy-paste it there. Don’t forget to use the Save button.
For example, to remove the score everywhere and the down-vote buttons, you’d enter something like this:
/* Remove score displays everywhere */ .score { display: none !important; } /* Remove downvote buttons everywhere */ .downvote_button { display: none !important; } -
You add it in your PieFed profile settings. PieFed itself does this. Short instruction is pinned to the CSS community: https://piefed.social/post/853802
Gear icon on the top right, should bring you to the Settings tab for your account. Then scroll down to “Additional CSS” and copy-paste it there. Don’t forget to use the Save button.
For example, to remove the score everywhere and the down-vote buttons, you’d enter something like this:
/* Remove score displays everywhere */ .score { display: none !important; } /* Remove downvote buttons everywhere */ .downvote_button { display: none !important; }Thx a lot. I had never noticed this feature.
I will not remove all up/downvote a I think it’s worth being able to upvote useful/enriching comment (like yours) but know I have an option to consider and explore: could I remove just the displayed total of upvotes/downvotes (that part I really don’t care about) and maybe the ‘Attitude’ stats displayed under my profile. Thx again
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Thx a lot. I had never noticed this feature.
I will not remove all up/downvote a I think it’s worth being able to upvote useful/enriching comment (like yours) but know I have an option to consider and explore: could I remove just the displayed total of upvotes/downvotes (that part I really don’t care about) and maybe the ‘Attitude’ stats displayed under my profile. Thx again
The score is just the first 4 lines, up to (and including) the first closing curly bracket.
I’m afraid the Attitude and Reputation on the profile page can’t be handled this way (with CSS) as they’re not in some sort of container. You’d need to write a feature request and have that changed in PieFed’s program code. -
The score is just the first 4 lines, up to (and including) the first closing curly bracket.
I’m afraid the Attitude and Reputation on the profile page can’t be handled this way (with CSS) as they’re not in some sort of container. You’d need to write a feature request and have that changed in PieFed’s program code.Once again, thank you very much. I just did that it’s working nice
For anyone curious, here is what it looks like now:
