Voting in the threadiverse
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Hi,
i want to explore the various way we can highlight content.
Currently, on the threadiverse, we use vote to show our approval, discontent…and we can couple it with a bot for moderation. Or hide post below a certain score…
Some instance completly removed downvote as Beehaw. Piefed is experimenting private vote. On other fediverse software, mastodon, iceshrimp, there is no downvote and we use emojis to express our feelings.
You also have website as https://slashdot.org/ where you can tell that comment was insightfull or a troll, or funny…
There is also also website that compare software or video as https://tournesol.app/
- Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
- Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
- What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?
- What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
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Hi,
i want to explore the various way we can highlight content.
Currently, on the threadiverse, we use vote to show our approval, discontent…and we can couple it with a bot for moderation. Or hide post below a certain score…
Some instance completly removed downvote as Beehaw. Piefed is experimenting private vote. On other fediverse software, mastodon, iceshrimp, there is no downvote and we use emojis to express our feelings.
You also have website as https://slashdot.org/ where you can tell that comment was insightfull or a troll, or funny…
There is also also website that compare software or video as https://tournesol.app/
- Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
- Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
- What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?
- What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
I think we don’t need to go very far. We could take inspiration from other Fediverse software. At some point we want to be able to properly connect to Mastodon (like MBin) anyway, and other software where you’d follow people, Pixelfed… So why not use the concept of “Boosts” the right way? Those are meant to funnel content into your follower’s timeline (aka visibility). No misunderstanding like here on Lemmy where people sometimes forget whether an upvote means “I agree” or “I want to recommend this to other people”. Also does away with the unloved downvotes.
And then there are Misskey etc which have Emoji Reactions. That’s already using ActivityPub. And it adds nuance to the reactions. Maybe that could even be extended into the “Slashdot” style, if we enhance the emojis a bit. And we don’t even need to invent anything new.
As is, I’m not in love with Lemmy’s voting system. It’s a simplistic popularity concept. Very much social media with all the issues that come with social media. People upvote memes and popular stuff. In the comments, it’s regularly simpler “truths” which get upvoted, not so much the nuanced take which takes some time to read and understand. Also urban myths and so on… Most of the times it’s okay-ish. But I don’t get much use out of it. I’m not interested in memes and mainstream. And the interesting (to me) stuff doesn’t have a lot of upvotes. So I sort by “new” and make use of subscriptions and feeds. The votes don’t mean a lot to me, I could live without them and I’d prefer an old-school Linux forum with it’s atmosphere and some emoji reactions and a trophy or award here and there for excellent content.
I don’t use private votes. I think the entire concept is a bit impossible to implement on a distributed network. It’s either moderation, or private votes. I’d be all for keeping them private, if that came without issues. But it doesn’t. And I’m not sure what would be a good compromise here. I don’t think there is one.
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I think we don’t need to go very far. We could take inspiration from other Fediverse software. At some point we want to be able to properly connect to Mastodon (like MBin) anyway, and other software where you’d follow people, Pixelfed… So why not use the concept of “Boosts” the right way? Those are meant to funnel content into your follower’s timeline (aka visibility). No misunderstanding like here on Lemmy where people sometimes forget whether an upvote means “I agree” or “I want to recommend this to other people”. Also does away with the unloved downvotes.
And then there are Misskey etc which have Emoji Reactions. That’s already using ActivityPub. And it adds nuance to the reactions. Maybe that could even be extended into the “Slashdot” style, if we enhance the emojis a bit. And we don’t even need to invent anything new.
As is, I’m not in love with Lemmy’s voting system. It’s a simplistic popularity concept. Very much social media with all the issues that come with social media. People upvote memes and popular stuff. In the comments, it’s regularly simpler “truths” which get upvoted, not so much the nuanced take which takes some time to read and understand. Also urban myths and so on… Most of the times it’s okay-ish. But I don’t get much use out of it. I’m not interested in memes and mainstream. And the interesting (to me) stuff doesn’t have a lot of upvotes. So I sort by “new” and make use of subscriptions and feeds. The votes don’t mean a lot to me, I could live without them and I’d prefer an old-school Linux forum with it’s atmosphere and some emoji reactions and a trophy or award here and there for excellent content.
I don’t use private votes. I think the entire concept is a bit impossible to implement on a distributed network. It’s either moderation, or private votes. I’d be all for keeping them private, if that came without issues. But it doesn’t. And I’m not sure what would be a good compromise here. I don’t think there is one.
I think the entire concept is a bit impossible to implement on a distributed network.
Is there any reason piefed’s private votes don’t work for this?
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I think the entire concept is a bit impossible to implement on a distributed network.
Is there any reason piefed’s private votes don’t work for this?
Someone else has to elaborate on the technical details and why it’s difficult to make them private and potential issues with PieFed’s implementation. Biggest issue I see is abuse. Mass voting, bots, brigading, annoying people on a personal level and so on. And once the votes are 100% anonymous, there isn’t much to do about this. The mods can’t see who did it and all of this becomes commonplace. Or half the network defederates from each other to confine bad actors, and Lemmy breaks apart. I think it’s a fundamental problem.
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Hi,
i want to explore the various way we can highlight content.
Currently, on the threadiverse, we use vote to show our approval, discontent…and we can couple it with a bot for moderation. Or hide post below a certain score…
Some instance completly removed downvote as Beehaw. Piefed is experimenting private vote. On other fediverse software, mastodon, iceshrimp, there is no downvote and we use emojis to express our feelings.
You also have website as https://slashdot.org/ where you can tell that comment was insightfull or a troll, or funny…
There is also also website that compare software or video as https://tournesol.app/
- Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
- Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
- What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?
- What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
I think vote should be private by default, public by choice. Because I thought my votes were private to users at first.
I’m somewhat satisfied with the current system, it’s a bit linear but still efficient.
I like how steam reviews added a [funny], [yes], [no] votes.
I imagine an optional vote feature after an upvote. So the user could say why they liked it by using [useful], [funny] or [relatable]. I know it won’t match every posts or comments. Then use those three categories to optionally filter posts/comments (e.g. filter by most useful comments).
