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  3. TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive.

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  • catraxx@tech.lgbtC catraxx@tech.lgbt

    @leaverou I think that is a starling, but that makes it no less amazing.

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    #4

    @leaverou In the right light you get a glimpse of their incredible colors.

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    • milla@mastodon.artM milla@mastodon.art

      @leaverou That's a starling, not a crow, but very cool nonetheless! Magpies also have pretty iridescent green-black feathers, while crows and ravens seem inky black - would love to see a bird's eye version of a raven.

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      #5

      @milla @leaverou I wonder if one could make an app that emphasizes specific colors, like a birb vision filter

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      • catraxx@tech.lgbtC catraxx@tech.lgbt

        @leaverou I think that is a starling, but that makes it no less amazing.

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        #6

        @catraxx Thanks! I did fact check it and it seems to apply to crows too, but couldn't tell what the bird was in the infographic. I edited the OP.

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        • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

          TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

          Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

          Some colors just require different eyes.

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          #7

          @leaverou Who keeps putting the UV at the lower, and infrared at the upper part of the spectrum??!

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          • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

            @catraxx Thanks! I did fact check it and it seems to apply to crows too, but couldn't tell what the bird was in the infographic. I edited the OP.

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            #8

            @leaverou Yeah they both do it, for sure.

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            • jawnsy@mastodon.socialJ jawnsy@mastodon.social

              @milla @leaverou I wonder if one could make an app that emphasizes specific colors, like a birb vision filter

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              #9

              @jawnsy @leaverou sounds pretty impossible on basic smartphone cameras, but some nature photography does use special ultraviolet or infrared sensitive cameras that can then be edited to the desired result.

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              • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                Some colors just require different eyes.

                alpacamale@social.cologneA This user is from outside of this forum
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                #10

                @leaverou Could you make the colors visible by taking a photo in RAW format and adjusting the color settings? I don't know how camera sensors work, but maybe they're able to capture these colors.

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                • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                  TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                  Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                  Some colors just require different eyes.

                  petitmote@toot.aquilenet.frP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #11

                  @leaverou I don't think that infography makes any sense. We do have a sensibility to green, but we still see colors from 400nm to 800nm. Also, what species of crow is that? I don't know any with white spots and a yellow beak.

                  Is there any source for that?

                  Edit: definitely, the curves don't mean anything

                  mattesilver@101010.plM marymessall@mendeddrum.orgM osteopenia_powers@newsie.socialO zeborah@mastodon.nzZ 4 Replies Last reply
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                  • shnooflebear@curly.catS shnooflebear@curly.cat

                    @leaverou Who keeps putting the UV at the lower, and infrared at the upper part of the spectrum??!

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                    #12

                    @ShnoofleBear @leaverou it's arbitrary really - you can use freq or wave length for scale

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                    • petitmote@toot.aquilenet.frP petitmote@toot.aquilenet.fr

                      @leaverou I don't think that infography makes any sense. We do have a sensibility to green, but we still see colors from 400nm to 800nm. Also, what species of crow is that? I don't know any with white spots and a yellow beak.

                      Is there any source for that?

                      Edit: definitely, the curves don't mean anything

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                      #13

                      @petitmote @leaverou having less types of cone cells means you have more metameres, but I don't think it applies here. chroma range is another matter. and there's brightness range.

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                      • alpacamale@social.cologneA alpacamale@social.cologne

                        @leaverou Could you make the colors visible by taking a photo in RAW format and adjusting the color settings? I don't know how camera sensors work, but maybe they're able to capture these colors.

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                        #14

                        @alpacamale @leaverou
                        In the right sunlight you can see most of these colors (Never seen one this vibrant).
                        But I'd imagine a camera has the range to pick a lot of it up since the visible spectrum is the typical target.

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                        • mattesilver@101010.plM mattesilver@101010.pl

                          @petitmote @leaverou having less types of cone cells means you have more metameres, but I don't think it applies here. chroma range is another matter. and there's brightness range.

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                          #15

                          @mattesilver @leaverou yes, I don't think the curve corresponds to the sensibility of the numan eyes nor the colors of the photography

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                          • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                            TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                            Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                            Some colors just require different eyes.

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                            @leaverou Just today morning i layed in the sun with my dog and a flock of starlings started scavaging the park we were in. The sunlight reflected super colorful on them.

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                            • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                              TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                              Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                              Some colors just require different eyes.

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                              @leaverou wait, birds are tetrachromatic? Cool!

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                              • milla@mastodon.artM milla@mastodon.art

                                @jawnsy @leaverou sounds pretty impossible on basic smartphone cameras, but some nature photography does use special ultraviolet or infrared sensitive cameras that can then be edited to the desired result.

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                                #18

                                @milla @jawnsy @leaverou

                                These are the AR glasses I want.

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                                • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                                  TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                                  Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                                  Some colors just require different eyes.

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                                  @leaverou
                                  I used to toss peanuts to crows regularly, and they were comfortable approaching me. One day in early winter, an hour or so after sunrise, a crow walked close, in front of me, between me and the sun. I was wearing amber polarized sunglasses, and just for ten seconds or so I saw red and turquoise bars on its wings - one of the most astonishing and beautiful things I remember. I've never been able to duplicate it, and have never found corroborating evidence, but I remember thinking "oh that's how they can tell each other apart"

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                                  • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                                    TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                                    Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                                    Some colors just require different eyes.

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                                    #20

                                    @leaverou Evidence, if needed, that we do not see the real world - what we experience is an approximate proxy.

                                    Besides - the light rays from an object tend to fan in all directions - we only got a tiny sliver of these rays impinging on our retinas. So we only ever perceive very partially. And only perceive a minuscule fraction of all wavelengths.

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                                    • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                                      TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                                      Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                                      Some colors just require different eyes.

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                                      #21

                                      Poc

                                      @jastrow

                                      Les commentaires semblent dubitatifs.

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                                      • leaverou@front-end.socialL leaverou@front-end.social

                                        TIL crows, starlings and similar birds only *look* black to us — they’re actually very colorful in ways human eyes are unable to perceive. 🤯

                                        Remember that next time people can’t see your “colors”.

                                        Some colors just require different eyes.

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                                        #22

                                        @leaverou
                                        I was in a zoo JUST today, where I read a sign stating that blackbirds only seem black to humans, while actually being colorful in the bird world. This sign made me a bit mad by telling me such a thing without explaining why. Now only a few hours later, I stumble upon this. Fedi is amazing!

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                                        • petitmote@toot.aquilenet.frP petitmote@toot.aquilenet.fr

                                          @leaverou I don't think that infography makes any sense. We do have a sensibility to green, but we still see colors from 400nm to 800nm. Also, what species of crow is that? I don't know any with white spots and a yellow beak.

                                          Is there any source for that?

                                          Edit: definitely, the curves don't mean anything

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                                          #23

                                          @petitmote @leaverou

                                          The curves seem to be showing the sensitivity of cone cells in human eyes vs bird eyes. Humans (who aren't color blind or tetrochromats) have cells most sensitive to blue, green, and red, around the wavelengths indicates. The graphic shows that, though not in a super literal way. There are long tails on all those curves in real life. A color like yellow lights up both the green and red receptors, and that's how our brain distinguishes it from pure green or pure red.

                                          I don't know as much about bird vision, but I think the curve is suggesting that they also have cells sensitive to UV light, and that their visible light receptor cells are most sensitive at different wavelengths than ours

                                          There's nothing on the chart that indicates what wavelengths are actually being scattered from "black" bird feathers, but if it's in the gap between our green and red receptors, or if it's in the UV, birds eyes would be more sensitive to it. Though we CAN see some UV at the lower wavelengths if it's really bright, and we can of course see yellow and orange... Birds would just see them more brightly. The picture someone shared in another reply showing what a black bird looks like to a camera in really bright sunlight seems like a pretty good indication of what colors birds might be seeing with their more sensitive receptors at some of these wavelengths - but they are probably seeing them as brighter colors even in dimmer lighting.

                                          https://tech.lgbt/@catraxx/116506023447408575

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