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  • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

    @nickchomey @ska for a while if i reached for an em dash i'd replace it with a comma or a colon 😄

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    #29

    @tg @ska

    I don't think a colon fits at all. Comma perhaps. My hyphen-as-em dash seems to be the appropriate way to handle it - at least that's what I'll continue doing.

    An example (picked at random) of how my style differs (and not saying that you should change anything)

    > This is the old machinery. Not pure. Not beautiful. Not easy to use.

    This is the old machinery: not pure, beautiful or easy to use.

    No idea which is more correct or effective. But yours just reeks of LLM, even if it isn't

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    • N nickchomey@mastodon.social

      @tg @ska

      I don't think a colon fits at all. Comma perhaps. My hyphen-as-em dash seems to be the appropriate way to handle it - at least that's what I'll continue doing.

      An example (picked at random) of how my style differs (and not saying that you should change anything)

      > This is the old machinery. Not pure. Not beautiful. Not easy to use.

      This is the old machinery: not pure, beautiful or easy to use.

      No idea which is more correct or effective. But yours just reeks of LLM, even if it isn't

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      #30

      @tg @ska

      Here's chatgpt's take on it! Hah!

      https://chatgpt.com/share/69fb516a-33c4-83e8-8746-f40b0557375c

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      • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

        📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

        The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

        A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

        https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

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        #31
        @tg thank you for writing this, i tried to express the same ideas in my own way in a post on here and just got lectured about how the internet is better now, actually, just because more people from more countries are using it...
        i didn't mean i didn't want to communicate with those from foreign places, i just want those damn corporate entities to stop shoving ads and other nonsense down my throat and let me use the internet connection i'm paying for for my own purposes.
        i don't mind CDNs, those are important for those in other countries, but i sure do mind things born entirely out of "number go up". i'm not going to pretend like corporations have building a real, proper, thriving community in mind across multiple continents, when they're flooding the communities with bots and other spam.
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        • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

          📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

          The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

          A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

          https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

          b0rk@social.jvns.caB This user is from outside of this forum
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          b0rk@social.jvns.ca
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          #32

          @tg recently I've been thinking about writing about how many of the "boring" parts of the internet (ip addresses, domain names, DNS, the cables under the ocean, the network routers, TLS certificates) have various kinds of corporate and/or national and/or nonprofit owners who interact with each other in complicated ways

          it opened up a lot of complicated questions about governance (for ICANN etc) that I didn't feel super well-equipped to answer but I think it would be cool to explore

          boramalper@mastodon.socialB tg@indieweb.socialT 2 Replies Last reply
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          • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

            @tg recently I've been thinking about writing about how many of the "boring" parts of the internet (ip addresses, domain names, DNS, the cables under the ocean, the network routers, TLS certificates) have various kinds of corporate and/or national and/or nonprofit owners who interact with each other in complicated ways

            it opened up a lot of complicated questions about governance (for ICANN etc) that I didn't feel super well-equipped to answer but I think it would be cool to explore

            boramalper@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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            boramalper@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #33

            @b0rk @tg I’d love to read it if you write it 😃

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            • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

              @tg recently I've been thinking about writing about how many of the "boring" parts of the internet (ip addresses, domain names, DNS, the cables under the ocean, the network routers, TLS certificates) have various kinds of corporate and/or national and/or nonprofit owners who interact with each other in complicated ways

              it opened up a lot of complicated questions about governance (for ICANN etc) that I didn't feel super well-equipped to answer but I think it would be cool to explore

              tg@indieweb.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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              tg@indieweb.social
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              #34

              @b0rk very interesting indeed. definitely over my head and ability to fire these neurons to put a few thoughts together 😄

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              • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

                📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

                The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

                A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

                https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

                mikalai@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                mikalai@privacysafe.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #35

                @tg
                Quote:

                Every property that made these protocols feel old and uncool to you in 2014

                is part of what’s keeping them alive in 2026.

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                • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

                  📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

                  The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

                  A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

                  https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

                  gdinwiddie@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  gdinwiddie@mastodon.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #36

                  @tg The Internet detects damage and routes around it.

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                  • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

                    📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

                    The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

                    A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

                    https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

                    aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #37

                    @tg one thing that's a little different between 2006 and 2026 is if you try to host something yourself a lot more people and god knows what else are constantly attempting to break in and knock your site over. i tried running a phpbb forum a while back and eventually it got hacked and overrun with spam and it was so bad my hosting provider called me on the telephone to work out what to do about it. i've been afraid to host anything more complicated than a static serve site ever since 😕

                    ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA karbin@meow.socialK crittero@mastodon.socialC 4 Replies Last reply
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                    • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @tg one thing that's a little different between 2006 and 2026 is if you try to host something yourself a lot more people and god knows what else are constantly attempting to break in and knock your site over. i tried running a phpbb forum a while back and eventually it got hacked and overrun with spam and it was so bad my hosting provider called me on the telephone to work out what to do about it. i've been afraid to host anything more complicated than a static serve site ever since 😕

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                      ireneista@adhd.irenes.space
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                      #38

                      @aeva @tg yeah there's a reason the first thing we figured out for our own infra was the SSO...

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                      • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @tg one thing that's a little different between 2006 and 2026 is if you try to host something yourself a lot more people and god knows what else are constantly attempting to break in and knock your site over. i tried running a phpbb forum a while back and eventually it got hacked and overrun with spam and it was so bad my hosting provider called me on the telephone to work out what to do about it. i've been afraid to host anything more complicated than a static serve site ever since 😕

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                        aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place
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                        #39

                        @tg i've been wanting to host my own icecast server or peer tube, but idk how to be sure that won't just happen again

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                        • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

                          📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

                          The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

                          A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

                          https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

                          spinni81@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          spinni81@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #40

                          @tg Now I feel old because the Internet I grew up on is the old rusty bits.

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                          • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

                            📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

                            The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

                            A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

                            https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

                            virkon42@det.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                            virkon42@det.social
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                            #41

                            @tg this is so true. love your view.

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                            • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              @tg i've been wanting to host my own icecast server or peer tube, but idk how to be sure that won't just happen again

                              yuvalne@433.worldY This user is from outside of this forum
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                              yuvalne@433.world
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                              #42

                              @aeva @tg
                              yeah, in the age of DDoS by AI and rising hosting costs, quite a lot of the boring internet is also dying.
                              although i guess dying gives the wrong implication. it's being killed.

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                              • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @tg one thing that's a little different between 2006 and 2026 is if you try to host something yourself a lot more people and god knows what else are constantly attempting to break in and knock your site over. i tried running a phpbb forum a while back and eventually it got hacked and overrun with spam and it was so bad my hosting provider called me on the telephone to work out what to do about it. i've been afraid to host anything more complicated than a static serve site ever since 😕

                                karbin@meow.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #43

                                @aeva @tg it is true. But that was the result of server applications written to be managed by large groups.

                                there is a lack of web infrastructure written to be secure as a priority. In your case something like OpenBSD for forum systems.

                                This plus tight security rules and new sandboxed and controlled installations could be what we need

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                                • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                                  @aeva @tg yeah there's a reason the first thing we figured out for our own infra was the SSO...

                                  cthos@mastodon.cthos.devC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #44

                                  @ireneista @aeva @tg DID SOMEONE SAY SSO????

                                  (sorry sorry, it's like catnip for me)

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                                  • cthos@mastodon.cthos.devC cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev

                                    @ireneista @aeva @tg DID SOMEONE SAY SSO????

                                    (sorry sorry, it's like catnip for me)

                                    ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #45

                                    @cthos @aeva @tg Authelia with hardware tokens :3

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                                    • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

                                      📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

                                      The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

                                      A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

                                      https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

                                      virkon42@det.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #46

                                      @tg I am really glad, that there is the ascii view. I pretty much hate this animation.

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                                      • tg@indieweb.socialT tg@indieweb.social

                                        📢 New Essay: The Boring Internet

                                        The internet you grew up on isn’t dying.

                                        A commercial veneer glued on top of it is.

                                        https://www.terrygodier.com/the-boring-internet

                                        botolo86@mstdn.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        botolo86@mstdn.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #47

                                        @tg you forgot the BBS systems. Some of them are still there and quite active.

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                                        • N nickchomey@mastodon.social

                                          @tg @ska

                                          I don't think a colon fits at all. Comma perhaps. My hyphen-as-em dash seems to be the appropriate way to handle it - at least that's what I'll continue doing.

                                          An example (picked at random) of how my style differs (and not saying that you should change anything)

                                          > This is the old machinery. Not pure. Not beautiful. Not easy to use.

                                          This is the old machinery: not pure, beautiful or easy to use.

                                          No idea which is more correct or effective. But yours just reeks of LLM, even if it isn't

                                          janeishly@beige.partyJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #48

                                          @nickchomey @tg @ska You could always use the UK English style instead, which is a spaced en dash (Alt+0150). As a translator, that's what I now default to (having been told in no uncertain terms when I submitted one of my very first projects that my previous habit, of using hyphens, was unacceptable!)

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