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  • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

    for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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    #10

    @mntmn ❤

    honestly, we need as many people as possible who actually give a shit about the quality of the things they make.

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    • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

      for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

      astropug@hachyderm.ioA This user is from outside of this forum
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      astropug@hachyderm.io
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      #11

      @mntmn

      We, who are newer, or who are students, also needed to hear this. Thank you.

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      • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

        for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

        micdan@mstdn.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #12

        @mntmn SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK ❤️‍🔥

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        • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

          for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

          d6@merveilles.townD This user is from outside of this forum
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          d6@merveilles.town
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          #13

          @mntmn 💪 fuck yeah emacs 🐐

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          • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

            @mntmn not to toot my own horn but I'm doing a 40 day AI Lent to keep my brain sharp, it's probably the most intellectually rewarding (and frustrating) thing I've done recently

            https://buduroiu.com/blog/announcing-ai-lent/

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            wademcgillis@mastodon.social
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            #14

            @budududuroiu not to toot my own horn but I'm doing an almost 13,038 day fast from vibe coding.

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            • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

              for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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              drcxd@mastodon.social
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              #15

              @mntmn Same here. Tried vibe coding and then intentionally stay away from it. Also an Emacs user. Can't say I am doing the right thing, just what I feel like to do.

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              • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

                glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                glyph@mastodon.social
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                #16

                @mntmn instafollow

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                • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                  @mntmn not to toot my own horn but I'm doing a 40 day AI Lent to keep my brain sharp, it's probably the most intellectually rewarding (and frustrating) thing I've done recently

                  https://buduroiu.com/blog/announcing-ai-lent/

                  glyph@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  glyph@mastodon.social
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                  #17

                  @budududuroiu @mntmn https://infosec.exchange/@mttaggart/116163565875479590

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                  • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                    for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                    #18

                    @mntmn I feel like we're in a drowning minority

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                    • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                      for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                      theartlav@anarres.family
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                      #19

                      @mntmn Thank you, i needed to hear this. 💜

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                      • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                        for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                        vashbear@hachyderm.io
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                        #20

                        @mntmn

                        Hi Lucie, I love the sentiment. I do think it is important to understand what good coding is, and coding is enjoyable.

                        But... sorry, I have a "but"

                        I am an experieced 30 year coder. The truth is that the best human coder cannot keep up with what AI coding can do. I was shocked when I realized this but it's true.

                        AI can keep the entire code base in its buffer and scan and find things instantly that I would not know. It can refactor, debug and redeploy. It can generate documentation instantly. Any API, even ones I have never seen to some esoteric endpoint, it can master instantly. it has been trained billions and billions of lines of code. That is more than I have by a factor of over 100,00 million.

                        It is like having a team of 10 cross-disciplinary developers working with you plus a documentation writer , a QA person and project manager.

                        If I have a question about how something works, I can ask it, and it describes it and gives me links to the relevant section.

                        It is only getting better. Every few months its capabilities leap incredibly.

                        It still needs a team leader. It needs someone to guide what it can do. That is the role to embrace. You will be a much better team leader if you understand the fundamentals.

                        Believe me, I understand that there are plenty of downsides to this. And .. it scares the hell out of me. But wishing it were not so will not make it go away.

                        I dont know if you have tried the most recent releases - I use Claude Code -- but you owe it to yourself to try it if only to gauge what you are up against.

                        And by all means -- keep learning to code on your own -- but if that is the only tool in your quiver, it should be a hobby, not a means to make a living.

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                        • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                          for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                          jrdepriest@infosec.exchange
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                          #21

                          @mntmn

                          The automation platform I spend most of my time in let's me use in-line Python, jq, and JSONPath. They have little AI boxes so it can do it for you. I refuse to use them and quite enjoy writing my own, reading stackoverflow, reading documentation, and doing iterative testing.

                          I used to hate jq and found it unintuitive. Now it's one of my favorite things to hack around in and I get really excited when I find a novel solution that lets me replace ten steps and two loops with one carefully crafted command.

                          And I'm finally taking a Python class after a decade of always meaning to.

                          I want to know why and how the things I put name on actually work.

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                          • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                            for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                            krono@toot.berlin
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                            #22

                            @mntmn This makes everything you do even more enjoyable for me 🙂

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                            • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                              for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

                              mahadevank@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              mahadevank@mastodon.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #23

                              @mntmn Same club. I only use AI for snippets of code - which of course, I have to then edit quite a bit to bring it to good shape.

                              I mostly use it for stuff I'm new to, like Vimscript. Speaking of which Vim here - it has been my editor of choice for more than 20 years now, so the habit runs deep.

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                              • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                nicolaottomano@mastodon.uno
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                                #24

                                @mntmn
                                My 2 cents. As a former programmer and fountain pens collector, manually written code will be a thing of the past in, maybe, 5 years. Those manually writing code will do it for the pleasure of doing it, not for productivity. The same way we switched to PC to literally (no pun intended 🙂) write anything, relegating pens to the role of collector's items.

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                                • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                  for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                  issacsamor@mastodon.social
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                                  #25

                                  @mntmn 🙌

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                                  • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                    for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

                                    jtnystrom@genomic.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #26

                                    @mntmn Amen.

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                                    • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                      for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                      sero_tonin@norden.social
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                                      #27

                                      @mntmn thank you! I appreciate every good documentation, every tutorial, blog article and problem discussion I can find!
                                      This motivates me to write better documentation and to keep resisting the slop, too.

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                                      • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                        for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                        #28

                                        @mntmn One of the best use cases for LLMs is to produce tools for deterministic automation. One does not have to be irrational about this issue. Follow the example of Torvalds. Stay adult, stay sane and be open-minded. Every person (or moral subject) is responsible for the code they commit or text they publish. If you don't want that responsibility, you pay someone or stay anonymous. That has and will always be the case. You can never be certain about how information was produced.

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                                        • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                          for whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone. i'm not vibecoding any of the software i write. i'm writing it by hand, but i've leveled up my emacs with eglot/lsp. i'm modernizing my stacks and use languages with excellent compilers. i think about how to do more with less. i'm trying to combine the best human-written libraries and modules and assemble them with minimal boilerplate. i enjoy reading your manuals and references. i believe in robust, secure, human-written software.

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                                          yetzt@social.yetzt.me
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                                          #29

                                          @mntmn you are a treasure. ❤

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