Let's play a little game, Garrett Langley, CEO of Flock Cameras.
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Let's play a little game, Garrett Langley, CEO of Flock Cameras.
I'll stand on the public street outside 2588 Winslow Dr NE, in Atlanta, GA, with a camera facing due west, and I'll record in my records the exact date and time of every time somebody enters or leaves the front door of that address, what that person was wearing, what car they drove, the description of the vehicle, the licence plate on the vehicle, and any other details I can film from the public sidewalk. I'll do this 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Just in case you happen to do a crime. Then I'll sell all that information to the highest bidder online.
I'll do all this openly, without any pretense of secrecy. After all, I'm doing this for your safety. The game is, see how long it takes for me to be arrested.
Now tell me how any of my actions are materially different from the intended function of your flock cameras. And tell me why you don't have to compromise your privacy, but I do.
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Let's play a little game, Garrett Langley, CEO of Flock Cameras.
I'll stand on the public street outside 2588 Winslow Dr NE, in Atlanta, GA, with a camera facing due west, and I'll record in my records the exact date and time of every time somebody enters or leaves the front door of that address, what that person was wearing, what car they drove, the description of the vehicle, the licence plate on the vehicle, and any other details I can film from the public sidewalk. I'll do this 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Just in case you happen to do a crime. Then I'll sell all that information to the highest bidder online.
I'll do all this openly, without any pretense of secrecy. After all, I'm doing this for your safety. The game is, see how long it takes for me to be arrested.
Now tell me how any of my actions are materially different from the intended function of your flock cameras. And tell me why you don't have to compromise your privacy, but I do.
@Lana the blurring on the street view photo is the cherry on top. He doesn't have anything to hide, does he?
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@Lana the blurring on the street view photo is the cherry on top. He doesn't have anything to hide, does he?
@marcotietz rules for thee but not for me
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@cstross @oneiros if somebody does this, my suggestion is to not even make it a functional camera. Just make it look like a camera. Literally just point a hunk of plastic in the direction of his home from a public sidewalk and see how quickly you get arrested on trumped up charges of filming him without permission.
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@cstross @oneiros if somebody does this, my suggestion is to not even make it a functional camera. Just make it look like a camera. Literally just point a hunk of plastic in the direction of his home from a public sidewalk and see how quickly you get arrested on trumped up charges of filming him without permission.
Hell, I bet you wouldn't even need the camera or any tech at all. Just stand on the sidewalk and look at his home with a pen and notebook in hand. Wear a T-shirt that says "camera crew". Maybe bring a lawnchair and have a seat. See how long it takes for Garrett to have a problem with a human being existing nearby looking in his general direction.
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Let's play a little game, Garrett Langley, CEO of Flock Cameras.
I'll stand on the public street outside 2588 Winslow Dr NE, in Atlanta, GA, with a camera facing due west, and I'll record in my records the exact date and time of every time somebody enters or leaves the front door of that address, what that person was wearing, what car they drove, the description of the vehicle, the licence plate on the vehicle, and any other details I can film from the public sidewalk. I'll do this 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Just in case you happen to do a crime. Then I'll sell all that information to the highest bidder online.
I'll do all this openly, without any pretense of secrecy. After all, I'm doing this for your safety. The game is, see how long it takes for me to be arrested.
Now tell me how any of my actions are materially different from the intended function of your flock cameras. And tell me why you don't have to compromise your privacy, but I do.
I'm curious what the charges would be (loitering, stalking, harassment?).
It's interesting as a comparison to Flock. Their arguments (and those of their law enforcement clients) have often relied on the notion that they're simply automating activity that has always been legal, and that people don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy when in public view.
But I'm not sure that's strictly true anymore (if it ever was). I think you're right that private citizens performing these actions would very quickly attract law enforcement attention and quite probably arrest and civil/criminal charges.
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I'm curious what the charges would be (loitering, stalking, harassment?).
It's interesting as a comparison to Flock. Their arguments (and those of their law enforcement clients) have often relied on the notion that they're simply automating activity that has always been legal, and that people don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy when in public view.
But I'm not sure that's strictly true anymore (if it ever was). I think you're right that private citizens performing these actions would very quickly attract law enforcement attention and quite probably arrest and civil/criminal charges.
What's incredible to me is that every element of each of those crimes is materially no different than what Garrett is doing with his cameras. If he thinks living under 24/7 constant surveillance is somehow causing criminal harm, then Garrett should argue that in open court and watch as the biggest class action lawsuit of all time lands in his lap.
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