"You can feed 4 people on $300 a month.
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@melindrea @artemis I can't remember when it started, but now when I experiment with something and it turns out disappointing (usually for lack of options), I call it "rations"
@melindrea @artemis a few meals/snacks are intentionally like that. It's bland and it's basic nutrition, sometimes even a chore to eat. But it'll get you fed that day
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@melindrea @artemis it was invariably stuff like "you can save lots of money by buying cheaper brands, or even supermarket versions!!!"
"don't buy four times as much as you need and then throw most of it away!!"
"try cooking in batches!"
and at the end was always the big reveal of WOOOOW look how much you saved per month, and the "savings" were double what I have ever spent in my life, because they were having twelve takeaways a month and falling for shit like £6.40 for 200g of premium individually bagged moravian oats
@sinvega @melindrea @artemis Yeah, shows like these package middle class people's astonishment about things poor people already knew. I don't buy name brand anything. I buy exactly as much as we're going to use, sometimes less. And yeah, we buy a good number of premade meals because buying the ingredients and doing it ourselves is more expensive and vastly more time consuming.
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Suppose you *could* through constant labor, strenuous planning, & deprivation manage to feed yourself & your family on a tiny budget, that would still be extreme poverty.
I hate that people who aren't in poverty try to explain to those who are "no, really, you can survive. You just need to find a way to suffer a little more."
The problem is not a lack of ingenuity & creativity. The problem is poverty. No one should have to struggle every moment of every day just to live.
That little boy and his shaming attitude about poverty fucking enraged me. I studied home economics. This kid can fuck all the way off back to his green smoothies and yoga class.
Farming While Beige did a short about this, called iirc Stop telling poor people to be better at being poor, and he explained all of the time, prep work and storage capacity you would have to have to come even close to this milquetoast shitposter’s numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXTF61r-RT4
Grrrrrr! Infuriating.
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@artemis we're past just rice and beans though considering I've actually seen people saying you shouldn't have rice for various reasons
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@TheTenuousOrder @artemis a real conversation someone had with my wife recently went like:
Person: How can you afford to feed a family of four these days?
Wife: We eat a lot of cheap one pot meals like beans and rice and pasta
Person: Oh that's not good for you, those really pack on the weight
And of course, that person did not volunteer to supply us with fresh produce and whatever else they imagine we should be eating
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@TheTenuousOrder @artemis a real conversation someone had with my wife recently went like:
Person: How can you afford to feed a family of four these days?
Wife: We eat a lot of cheap one pot meals like beans and rice and pasta
Person: Oh that's not good for you, those really pack on the weight
And of course, that person did not volunteer to supply us with fresh produce and whatever else they imagine we should be eating
@AldinTheMage @TheTenuousOrder
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@AldinTheMage @TheTenuousOrder
Oh my god, this encapsulates so much.@artemis @AldinTheMage @TheTenuousOrder There's also, what do you do if you're already relying on those cheap foods?
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"You can feed 4 people on $300 a month. In this video, I will show you how to make a thin rice gruel..."
(The first sentence is really from a real person. The second is what I assume came next)
@artemis Maybe the 300$ is bribes for security to not care about dumpster diving
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@TheTenuousOrder @artemis a real conversation someone had with my wife recently went like:
Person: How can you afford to feed a family of four these days?
Wife: We eat a lot of cheap one pot meals like beans and rice and pasta
Person: Oh that's not good for you, those really pack on the weight
And of course, that person did not volunteer to supply us with fresh produce and whatever else they imagine we should be eating
@AldinTheMage @TheTenuousOrder @artemis
I was once talking to someone (middle class liberal) about the program where you can use SNAP to buy double the amount of coins at the farmer's market and they told me it should apply to everyone.So no fresh produce is unhealthy, but affordable fresh produce is unfair.
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@TheTenuousOrder @artemis a real conversation someone had with my wife recently went like:
Person: How can you afford to feed a family of four these days?
Wife: We eat a lot of cheap one pot meals like beans and rice and pasta
Person: Oh that's not good for you, those really pack on the weight
And of course, that person did not volunteer to supply us with fresh produce and whatever else they imagine we should be eating
@AldinTheMage @TheTenuousOrder @artemis That person needs to educate themselves about nutrition. Beans, rice, and pasta do not cause one to gain weight. What causes one to gain weight is overeating for one's caloric output. One might point out that the problem of obesity (insofar as it is a problem) is primarily a problem of the relatively wealthy nations, not of the developing nations, where beans, rice, and grain products make up the majority of the local diet.
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As more & more people slip below the poverty line there seem to be a whole lot of others (still living comfortably) who are lining up to explain why the poor actually don't need even the smallest comforts in life.
"Stop whining. You haven't died yet. If you haven't died, why are you upset?"
Convenient that the people who HAVE died can't complain.
@artemis real "we survived the aids crisis" energy
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Telling people they should live on a diet of exclusively rice & beans or whatever is just fucking cruelty.
"You're poor? Stop complaining & just suffer already."
@artemis "like, subscribe, and use my code for 25% off an annual subscription to AI Therapy!"
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As more & more people slip below the poverty line there seem to be a whole lot of others (still living comfortably) who are lining up to explain why the poor actually don't need even the smallest comforts in life.
"Stop whining. You haven't died yet. If you haven't died, why are you upset?"
Convenient that the people who HAVE died can't complain.
@artemis "they're the same picture"
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@sinvega @melindrea @artemis Yeah, shows like these package middle class people's astonishment about things poor people already knew. I don't buy name brand anything. I buy exactly as much as we're going to use, sometimes less. And yeah, we buy a good number of premade meals because buying the ingredients and doing it ourselves is more expensive and vastly more time consuming.
@gwynnion @melindrea @artemis I need my oven junk because I am fuckin disabled and poor as shit and tired.
I remember some tosser online, when I was travelling for 30+ hours a week to work, lecturing people on "you can make lots of pizza bases and freeze them" and like... oh yeah? so then my section of the freezer is full and I can't eat anything else and I have to fuck around with a half frozen half fresh pizza every night? Or maybe you should shut the hell up about lives that are way way harder than yours"
like yeah actually, I CAN make pizzas. And yes, I am aware many cheap frozen ones are garbage. But they are cheap and they do not take 20 extra tasks or require a fucking schedule, or rely on the randos I live with not stealing shit
I fucking hate the comfortable.I want to rub sand in their eyes
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"You can feed 4 people on $300 a month. In this video, I will show you how to make a thin rice gruel..."
(The first sentence is really from a real person. The second is what I assume came next)
@artemis surely stretching every meal with cheap carbs can't be part of why half my stressed out poor ancestors became diabetic, either! (Shocker, that $300 no longer covers insulin.)
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@gwynnion @melindrea @artemis I need my oven junk because I am fuckin disabled and poor as shit and tired.
I remember some tosser online, when I was travelling for 30+ hours a week to work, lecturing people on "you can make lots of pizza bases and freeze them" and like... oh yeah? so then my section of the freezer is full and I can't eat anything else and I have to fuck around with a half frozen half fresh pizza every night? Or maybe you should shut the hell up about lives that are way way harder than yours"
like yeah actually, I CAN make pizzas. And yes, I am aware many cheap frozen ones are garbage. But they are cheap and they do not take 20 extra tasks or require a fucking schedule, or rely on the randos I live with not stealing shit
I fucking hate the comfortable.I want to rub sand in their eyes
@sinvega @melindrea @artemis When you come home and you feel half dead, you don't want to spend an hour or more preparing a picture perfect healthy meal. You just want something for fuel so you can crawl into bed and pass out.
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@sinvega @melindrea @artemis When you come home and you feel half dead, you don't want to spend an hour or more preparing a picture perfect healthy meal. You just want something for fuel so you can crawl into bed and pass out.
@gwynnion @melindrea @artemis home at 9, maybe 10, up at 6, not seen a friend for years and wouldn't have time or money to. Sure, I definitely have the capacity to cook because of all the time I magically had at the weekend to plan and cook a week in advance, in between dragging shit home from the supermarket I can afford for 40 minutes each way and cleaning the house and trying to make up for the sleep disorder all weekend
just no fucking clue, these cunts
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"You can feed 4 people on $300 a month. In this video, I will show you how to make a thin rice gruel..."
(The first sentence is really from a real person. The second is what I assume came next)
@artemis In the UK the inevitably right-wing politicians who used to do the loud public media saying "you should live on gruel if poor" could never complete a week living on social security level payments as part of an 'experiment' and that test-poverty was before the "social security agency fucks up your money roulette" or "something breaks down". Usually they quit after 2 days when they spent all the money on stupid shit and had a massive tantrum.
And worse, still promote their gruel-media.
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Suppose you *could* through constant labor, strenuous planning, & deprivation manage to feed yourself & your family on a tiny budget, that would still be extreme poverty.
I hate that people who aren't in poverty try to explain to those who are "no, really, you can survive. You just need to find a way to suffer a little more."
The problem is not a lack of ingenuity & creativity. The problem is poverty. No one should have to struggle every moment of every day just to live.
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That little boy and his shaming attitude about poverty fucking enraged me. I studied home economics. This kid can fuck all the way off back to his green smoothies and yoga class.
Farming While Beige did a short about this, called iirc Stop telling poor people to be better at being poor, and he explained all of the time, prep work and storage capacity you would have to have to come even close to this milquetoast shitposter’s numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXTF61r-RT4
Grrrrrr! Infuriating.
An excellent video. Beans and rice are staple foods but like the man says 80 cents per meal is not a lot of money.
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@artemis Oscar Wilde, a fuckin rich man, got it:
"Sometimes the poor are praised for being thrifty. But to recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less. For a town or country labourer to practise thrift would be absolutely immoral. Man should not be ready to show that he can live like a badly-fed animal."
