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  • maxleibman@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

    Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

    If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

    maxleibman@beige.partyM mlevison@hachyderm.ioM ralfmaximus@mastodon.socialR nirak@carhenge.clubN em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE 23 Replies Last reply
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    • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

      I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

      Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

      If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

      maxleibman@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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      Nvidia doesn’t count, by the way. Selling pickaxes during a gold rush doesn’t prove that prospecting pays.

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      • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

        I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

        Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

        If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

        mlevison@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @maxleibman +1000. 10x more of the wrong code isn’t called winning.

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        • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

          I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

          Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

          If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

          ralfmaximus@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @maxleibman

          Apple hit $5tn last week by announcing they WEREN'T embracing AI. Huh

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          • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

            I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

            Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

            If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

            nirak@carhenge.clubN This user is from outside of this forum
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            @maxleibman And why do Microsoft products keep getting worse, not better?

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            • ralfmaximus@mastodon.socialR ralfmaximus@mastodon.social

              @maxleibman

              Apple hit $5tn last week by announcing they WEREN'T embracing AI. Huh

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              @ralfmaximus Apple is reportedly using AI internally quite heavily, but their blockbuster quarter was attributable to hardware sales. A little of which might, in turn, be AI-related, but see my comments about Nvidia (success at selling pickaxes during a gold rush isn’t the same thing as the gold rush “working”).

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              • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

                Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

                If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

                em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @maxleibman @malcircuit Anytime now, just one more prompt 🙃

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                  #8

                  @Alison @ralfmaximus There were some CRAZY good value MacBook Air sales last year.

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                  • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                    @Alison @ralfmaximus There were some CRAZY good value MacBook Air sales last year.

                    alison@beige.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @maxleibman I grabbed a Mini with all the RAM before RAM went nuts. @ralfmaximus

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                    • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                      Nvidia doesn’t count, by the way. Selling pickaxes during a gold rush doesn’t prove that prospecting pays.

                      possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @maxleibman this is a great line

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                      • alison@beige.partyA alison@beige.party

                        @maxleibman I grabbed a Mini with all the RAM before RAM went nuts. @ralfmaximus

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                        @Alison @ralfmaximus Nice. I have a friend at work that got an M4 Air with 16 GB of RAM and 512 GB storage on a back-to-school sale for $949. I’m pretty jealous now.

                        (Not that I have anything to complain about. I got the MacBook Neo and a base-model iPad this spring before the price hikes, so I’m doing ok.)

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                        • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                          I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

                          Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

                          If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

                          paco@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @maxleibman first, the naive counter argument: https://www.fool.com/investing/2026/08/04/amazon-crossed-3-trillion-for-the-first-time-monda/

                          Google and Amazon massively increasing in value (with Amazon led by AWS) based on big increases in revenue. “Net sales rose 20% year over year to $200.6 billion. Operating income climbed 43% to $27.5 billion, up from $19.2 billion a year earlier.”

                          The real answer, I think, is under the surface. They’re selling raw compute to the big AI companies. They’re getting rich selling shovels in the gold rush, not mining (AI) gold. Profits are up because of AI, but not because of some amazing efficiency gain. Because OpenAI and Anthropic are paying obscene amounts of money for compute. And the money isn’t coming from end users or customers, but from the investors pouring money into the AI companies.

                          So not actually disagreeing with you at all. Making the naive counter argument and then debunking it myself.

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                          • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                            I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

                            Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

                            If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

                            justin@mastodon.tacoma.communityJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @maxleibman
                            Exactly, AI is mostly marketing hype no show.

                            I came across this earlier today even.

                            https://www.techtimes.com/articles/322894/20260804/lululemons-own-ai-architect-calls-out-corporate-ai-performance-not-strategy.htm

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                            • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                              @maxleibman first, the naive counter argument: https://www.fool.com/investing/2026/08/04/amazon-crossed-3-trillion-for-the-first-time-monda/

                              Google and Amazon massively increasing in value (with Amazon led by AWS) based on big increases in revenue. “Net sales rose 20% year over year to $200.6 billion. Operating income climbed 43% to $27.5 billion, up from $19.2 billion a year earlier.”

                              The real answer, I think, is under the surface. They’re selling raw compute to the big AI companies. They’re getting rich selling shovels in the gold rush, not mining (AI) gold. Profits are up because of AI, but not because of some amazing efficiency gain. Because OpenAI and Anthropic are paying obscene amounts of money for compute. And the money isn’t coming from end users or customers, but from the investors pouring money into the AI companies.

                              So not actually disagreeing with you at all. Making the naive counter argument and then debunking it myself.

                              maxleibman@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @paco Yep, I think we’re in agreement. I didn’t say it about the cloud providers, but I made the same analogy about Nvidia here:

                              https://beige.party/@maxleibman/117040414519565005

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                              • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                                I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

                                Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

                                If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

                                shnooflebear@curly.catS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @maxleibman I can answer that: Because the tech is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE for what it can do.

                                If all the "ai" corps focused on making it EFFICIENT above anything, and stop focusing on slop generation, people could make profit.

                                The actual results from using something like Code can be quite amazing, but at what cost?

                                This is not sustainable.

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                                • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                                  I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

                                  Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

                                  If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

                                  xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @maxleibman

                                  It’s the new gold rush… or is it a tulip mania?

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                                  • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                                    I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

                                    Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

                                    If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

                                    kento@hachyderm.ioK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @maxleibman I've never known engineering output to scale linearly with profit? Outside tiny startups.

                                    At the small side, I expect we'll see a rise in very niche companies that previously may not have been feasible. Those with larger markets will ship faster and probably grow faster than in the past.

                                    The big companies, are already big. eg I can't see AWS S3 suddenly going 10x, they already have the features and now it's mostly adoption and efficiency. Which takes the form of MS/Goog layoffs.

                                    Funny enough, in the middle-tier, I've heard some are actually experiencing some margin erosion because features are suddenly a weak moat...

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                                    • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                                      I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

                                      Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

                                      If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

                                      maxleibman@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      I eagerly await someone arguing that software developer productivity isn't the only factor impacting the profits of a software company, because to do so will be to argue either or both that development is a very minimal part of the value of a software company, or that AI is in aggregate negative for all other productive activity in such companies.

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                                      • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                                        I keep seeing claims that AI has 10Xed the productivity of software engineers. I’ve seen them here, this week, in fact.

                                        Here’s my question: where’s the software company that has 10Xed their profits using AI?

                                        If these kinds of gains were in reach, why hasn’t Microsoft or Google done it?

                                        tsturm@famichiki.jpT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @maxleibman We should also see 10x better software or 10x more features. 🤷‍♂️

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                                        • tsturm@famichiki.jpT tsturm@famichiki.jp

                                          @maxleibman We should also see 10x better software or 10x more features. 🤷‍♂️

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                                          @tsturm @maxleibman

                                          We *can* have 10x lines of code!

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