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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

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  • talexb@fosstodon.orgT talexb@fosstodon.org

    @MikeStok @drahardja I keep coming back to the same there questions.

    1. How do you know that the Claude code works?
    2. How do you know it's safe?
    3. What's the provenance of the code?

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    #20

    @talexb

    In this case I have, as Baldrick might say, a cunning plan.

    I have “inherited“ a Rails app with no tests which reflects the state of Rails 10+ years ago.

    So I let the Claude tool extrude tests for all the endpoints (lots of reasonable examples in the training data, I hope) and make them pass.

    As I don’t allow the Claude tool to do git commits, and I have a copy of the code inaccessible to the host the tool is running on for good measure, I can see the less than 20 lines of the core application the tool has interfered with and review them. My hunch is they are signals of bigger changes I need to make, and I hope I can quickly expunge the tool’s code from the non-test codebase quickly.

    I wish I could say the tool’s code was worse than the application code, but that’s a beer chat!

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    • dontreportme@mastodon.onlineD dontreportme@mastodon.online

      @dckim @drahardja
      This reply shows that the next paragraph after dehumanization is elimination.

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      #21

      @dontreportme @drahardja good point there. My proposed equivalency is only a brutal dehumanization. Well said.

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      • plantagolabs@mastodon.socialP plantagolabs@mastodon.social

        @drahardja I think regurgitate is still too biological.

        I prefer the sentence "AI interpolates swollen data. An interpolation function sometimes matches reality, sometimes not."

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        #22

        @plantagolabs I also like to use the word “extrude” instead of regurgitate.

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        • david@social.piconet.workD david@social.piconet.work

          @drahardja Regurgitate is an animal bodily function. AI doesn’t have a body. I think what I’m getting at is that there aren’t many appropriate words to describe how it works.

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          #23

          @david I also like the word “extrude”

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          • robin_wren@mastoart.socialR robin_wren@mastoart.social

            @drahardja While I agree with the premise, I do want to point out that we, humans, have a tendency to anthropomorphize anything.
            I'll apologize to a potted plant if I knock it off the window sill...

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            #24

            @robin_wren @drahardja
            Yeah, but don’t anthropomorphize computer programs. They hate that!

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            • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

              I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

              AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
              AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
              AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
              AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
              AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

              Remember: the robot is not a person.

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              #25

              @drahardja

              But it helps me to do one day of my work in one hour!

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              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                #26

                @drahardja That is the correct way to describe GenAI: nothing more than context and probability

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                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                  I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                  AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                  AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                  AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                  AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                  AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                  Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                  #27

                  @drahardja Not to disagree with your point, but it's interesting to me how anthropomorphizing cognitive functions (answer, hallucinate, etc.) trips people up but anthropomorphizing biological ones (like regurgitate) doesn't.

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                  • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

                    @drahardja Not to disagree with your point, but it's interesting to me how anthropomorphizing cognitive functions (answer, hallucinate, etc.) trips people up but anthropomorphizing biological ones (like regurgitate) doesn't.

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                    #28

                    @Thad I think “regurgitate” is not something humans regularly do (because we’re not ruminants!), but the more I think about it maybe the word “extrude” would be better.

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                    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                      I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                      AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                      AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                      AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                      AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                      AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                      Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                      #29

                      @drahardja

                      💯

                      The most resonate description for me is by Dr Emily Bender who compares it to a Magic Eight Ball, a 64 bit Magic Eight Ball.

                      I remain shocked at how easily, relatively "smart" people embrace AI as a cure-all. How CEOs become cheerleaders to subordinates of an unproven robot to "extrude" managerial "decisions" without question.

                      Crazy.

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                      • lehtimaeki@snapp.socialL lehtimaeki@snapp.social

                        @drahardja
                        Also, using "AI" for LLMs is misleading. There's no I.

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                        #30

                        @lehtimaeki @drahardja There's no A either.

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                        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                          I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                          AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                          AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                          AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                          AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                          AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                          Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                          #31

                          @drahardja The worst thing I have heard was a statement "you know who can dothis very well? Copilot!"

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                          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                            I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                            AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                            AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                            AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                            AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                            AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                            Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                            #32

                            @drahardja it’s a magic 8 ball that tells you what you want to hear.

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                            • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                              I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                              AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                              AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                              AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                              AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                              AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                              Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                              #33

                              @drahardja
                              AI is not trained.

                              The preproduction of the model is also included in the anthropomorphisation. Next they will be speaking of giving birth to new models.

                              @harold

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                              • yala@degrowth.socialY yala@degrowth.social

                                @drahardja
                                AI is not trained.

                                The preproduction of the model is also included in the anthropomorphisation. Next they will be speaking of giving birth to new models.

                                @harold

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                                #34

                                @yala @harold What’s a better term?

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                                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                  I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                  AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                  AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                  AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                  AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                  AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                  Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                  #35

                                  @drahardja
                                  Replace the word "AI" with "human" in that statement and it would still be true.

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                                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                    @yala @harold What’s a better term?

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                                    #36

                                    @drahardja
                                    assimilated ? categorized ? grouped ? patterned ?

                                    @yala @harold

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                                    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                      I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                      AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                      AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                      AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                      AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                      AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                      Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                      #37

                                      @drahardja we describe various phenomena using human words and attributes because we are human

                                      (And computers were thinking at least since someone implemented an hourglass icon in them)

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                                      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                        I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                        AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                        AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                        AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                        AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                        AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                        Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                        #38

                                        @drahardja

                                        There's also the option of adding quotes around "AI", as a way to indicate "so-called, not what it actually is".

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                                        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                          I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                          AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                          AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                          AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                          AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                          AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                          Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                          #39

                                          @drahardja +1000

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