I wonder why everyone seems to hate the tags.pub bot so much.
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@mina @ics The „service“ added an unasked for turbo boost to your hashtags and created accounts on their instance which could look like yours, so Alice posted their nudes under #alicepics and suddenly there is this account „alicepics at tags.pub“ that only boosts the nudes.
This looks shitty and breaks boundaries. Alice has made a few posts about that.
The biggest problem is that this happened without consent. If there was an explicit opt-in step, nobody would have complained. But, as Evan said, then they wouldn’t have as many users.
Sure. I have seen Alice's posts, but I fail to see the point.
The bot account is *not* a general nudes scraper. It has no followers on its own besides people who would subscribe to that hashtag anyway.
It doesn't "promote" or "turbo boost" their posts.
You have to *actively* subscribe to the bot see the posts.
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Sure. I have seen Alice's posts, but I fail to see the point.
The bot account is *not* a general nudes scraper. It has no followers on its own besides people who would subscribe to that hashtag anyway.
It doesn't "promote" or "turbo boost" their posts.
You have to *actively* subscribe to the bot see the posts.
@mina @chris_evelyn It did eveything without opt-in, without consent!!
And it is buggy as fuck, this asshole released a buggy piece of shit into the wild doing things withiut the consent of the people whose posts it interacts on.
My posts should've never been boosted as I am no mo public relay. I feel violated, and if you can't understand that feeling then you aren't looking for answers but rather answers that you like.
This type of automated crap full of bugs without prior informed consent is what drives more people away.
Consent is to tell everybody what you are going to do and do it only to thise who actively opt in, not any other way.
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@mina @chris_evelyn It did eveything without opt-in, without consent!!
And it is buggy as fuck, this asshole released a buggy piece of shit into the wild doing things withiut the consent of the people whose posts it interacts on.
My posts should've never been boosted as I am no mo public relay. I feel violated, and if you can't understand that feeling then you aren't looking for answers but rather answers that you like.
This type of automated crap full of bugs without prior informed consent is what drives more people away.
Consent is to tell everybody what you are going to do and do it only to thise who actively opt in, not any other way.
@mina @chris_evelyn And no, I didn't subsribe to any such shit, and neither side Alice or anyone impacted in that thread! Nobody did!
The asshole switched off the relays only after discovering that my host doesn't relay with any of them but still boosting my posts.
This is the same fucking shitt behavior from all these fucking fuckers: they know they wouldn't get enough opt in, so they just so and release a broken piece of shit into the wild.
Again, if you can't or don't understand that and why we in that thread feel violated, then there is no need for further discussion here.
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Sure. I have seen Alice's posts, but I fail to see the point.
The bot account is *not* a general nudes scraper. It has no followers on its own besides people who would subscribe to that hashtag anyway.
It doesn't "promote" or "turbo boost" their posts.
You have to *actively* subscribe to the bot see the posts.
@mina Some people don‘t. And I have no idea what the dividing line is.
I like the slower pace on Fedi, even if it means that you have no „global town square“. For me it is more than the tech, it is connections, a bit of trust, the humanity of it all, even if it means a bit of work and more friction. Unlike what Twitter had become even before Elon.
And along comes Evan and decides, that smaller instances need more reach, that the Fedi must be more like Twitter and implements this unasked for, in a very creepy way. Of course people react to that.
I don‘t think you belong in that tech bro category and a few others that don’t understand that reaction either and I have no idea why.
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I wonder why everyone seems to hate the tags.pub bot so much.
I mean: Until now, there was no way no get a notification if somebody posts something with a hashtag you're subscribed to.
This is a great feature, especially for hashtags with a low number of occurrences, greatly enhancing the value of the Fediverse for information purposes.
Just asking.
Edit: There's some good discussion below, worth reading. Also including some arguments for being sceptical about this thing.
@mina
I suddenly got spammy boosts from bot accounts.
I had to find out what this is, why it happens (still dont know. Opted-in somehow by my instance) and how I can stop it.
Older posts with #tagspub said it wasnt possible to opt-out because tagspup even worked around a server block.
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@mina The idea of Fedi is a human-interaction system, we do not expect our posts to be boosted by bots, especially not without prior consent.
This is a bot-only system where bot-accounts are created automatically; there is zero interaction between the bot (and the bot owners) and the post's author.
This system assumes that a major goal of posting is to have a large reach, but this ain't Twitter, this ain't Threads. Most people use hashtags as a search-help, not as an audience-reach tool.
I have e.g. now switched to Followers Only-posts anymore, as I had enough of techbros like him arguing like this. I don't really want reach, I just know that there are people who watch some of the hashtags I post, that was the reason for using those hashtags at all.
Now, no hashtags anymore because I can't know if another techbro comes around the corner doing whatever with my posts.
There are tons of reasons why we love Fedi, and of which is that there is no algorithm and no automated system to gather reach.
I see your point. My Fediverse is a collection of **people** I decided to interact with, not a random "content feed", but I do disagree on the interpretation on what this bot actually does.
The hashtag system is already an automated system of content propagation.
This kind of bot does not increase a hashtag's visibility by serving it to random people. It only increases the chance for people interested in certain topics to read about something, they're interested in.
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@mina
I suddenly got spammy boosts from bot accounts.
I had to find out what this is, why it happens (still dont know. Opted-in somehow by my instance) and how I can stop it.
Older posts with #tagspub said it wasnt possible to opt-out because tagspup even worked around a server block.
Bad communication of Evan ignoring the problems of many people and only stepping back after huge pressure.@mina
And I dont like the massive amount of bot accounts created by tagspub making it one of the lagest instances all over the fediverse. -
I see your point. My Fediverse is a collection of **people** I decided to interact with, not a random "content feed", but I do disagree on the interpretation on what this bot actually does.
The hashtag system is already an automated system of content propagation.
This kind of bot does not increase a hashtag's visibility by serving it to random people. It only increases the chance for people interested in certain topics to read about something, they're interested in.
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If I want to know people who are interested in, say, CrochetWhales, I can search for the hashtag and subscribe to it, but chances are good that I won't find anything because my instance doesn't have a connection to vietcrochet.soc where Lisa posts her lovely pics.
My chances of finding her are better through an instance with a broader network.
I can subscribe to the bot and get to know Lisa. I can even turn on the bell and get notified if somebody new posts under this hashtag.
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@mina @chris_evelyn And no, I didn't subsribe to any such shit, and neither side Alice or anyone impacted in that thread! Nobody did!
The asshole switched off the relays only after discovering that my host doesn't relay with any of them but still boosting my posts.
This is the same fucking shitt behavior from all these fucking fuckers: they know they wouldn't get enough opt in, so they just so and release a broken piece of shit into the wild.
Again, if you can't or don't understand that and why we in that thread feel violated, then there is no need for further discussion here.
OK!
I think, I now get your point.
If this guy does not respect rules about relaying and proper communication, it's definitely a serious offence against Fediverse principles, and yes: it deserves defederation.
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OK!
I think, I now get your point.
If this guy does not respect rules about relaying and proper communication, it's definitely a serious offence against Fediverse principles, and yes: it deserves defederation.
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@mina Some people don‘t. And I have no idea what the dividing line is.
I like the slower pace on Fedi, even if it means that you have no „global town square“. For me it is more than the tech, it is connections, a bit of trust, the humanity of it all, even if it means a bit of work and more friction. Unlike what Twitter had become even before Elon.
And along comes Evan and decides, that smaller instances need more reach, that the Fedi must be more like Twitter and implements this unasked for, in a very creepy way. Of course people react to that.
I don‘t think you belong in that tech bro category and a few others that don’t understand that reaction either and I have no idea why.
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