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  3. Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

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  • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

    Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

    Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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    #48

    @briankrebs ...installation? its a portable app. do you still have the actual download link?

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    • jab01701mid@mastodon.socialJ jab01701mid@mastodon.social

      @briankrebs So I hate to be snarky, but "dd" has been there all along people. Having to install an entire 3rd party application, for something that the OS should have stable, reliable methods for, to format a storage device and transfer a standard filesystem image to it, is intolerable. But it's Windows...depends on curl to download its own updates...

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      #49
      @jab01701mid @briankrebs Unfortunately dd-ing windows images to boot sticks just ends up with an unbootable image.

      Ventoy is pretty decent, and i have to admit the Windows Media Creation Tool works well, if you have to work from Windows.
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      • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

        Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

        Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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        dan@vee.seedy.cc
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        #50

        @BorrisInABox @briankrebs Well then I guess it's a good thing I have the portable version, huh?

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        • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

          However, in my defense Google's default search results list rufus[.]ie as the authoritative site

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          #51

          @briankrebs WHO ORDERED THE LARGE DEEPDISH SANDBOX ANALYSIS??

          https://app.any.run/tasks/90d1d270-a93f-498f-81d7-84d5e8f156bf

          briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB jordinki@infosec.exchangeJ tehstu@hachyderm.ioT tycoontom@infosec.exchangeT 4 Replies Last reply
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          • m3t00@mstdn.plusM m3t00@mstdn.plus

            @briankrebs

            looks disputed as a windows defender false positive.

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            #52

            @m3t00 again, the behavior will likely not be noticed by scanning the installer file. Needs a sandbox installation to find out what's really going on.

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            • jordinki@infosec.exchangeJ jordinki@infosec.exchange

              @briankrebs WHO ORDERED THE LARGE DEEPDISH SANDBOX ANALYSIS??

              https://app.any.run/tasks/90d1d270-a93f-498f-81d7-84d5e8f156bf

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              #53

              @jordinki thank god! the Internet gods DO exist!

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              • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

                briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                briankrebs@infosec.exchange
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #54

                A kind reader submitted the Rufus installer to any.run, a sandbox which walks through the installation of software to find malware that gets installed only *AFTER* the executable is clicked. You can see exactly all of the post-install prompts to download additional software that I also saw.

                https://infosec.exchange/@jordinki/117492425049116266

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                • jordinki@infosec.exchangeJ jordinki@infosec.exchange

                  @briankrebs WHO ORDERED THE LARGE DEEPDISH SANDBOX ANALYSIS??

                  https://app.any.run/tasks/90d1d270-a93f-498f-81d7-84d5e8f156bf

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                  #55

                  @briankrebs While the analysis marks as malicious, I couldn't get anything to pop. There is a caveat that it might only trigger if theres a removable drive inserted. Further, I did notice that the Google search result took me to the spanish version right away. Running updates catches an update for secure boot (believe microsoft posted a newer one for UEFI certs and so on) but the english version randomly complains about file header lengths not matching or something.

                  Something fishy about this, kinda smells like the notepad++ debacle but who knows without more defacto evidence.

                  SHA Dumpz
                  /es/ files:
                  rufus-4.15.exe - 84c8a437f8af89257524478489e5c85f1edf25f761d299e2bcde46ac0afbe106
                  rufus-4.15p.exe - 84c8a437f8af89257524478489e5c85f1edf25f761d299e2bcde46ac0afbe106
                  rufus-4.15_x86.exe - 20e1345715aff4aebf016839f721390882201a2b5d00655424c4ca38cb919576
                  /en/:
                  rufus-4.15.exe - 84c8a437f8af89257524478489e5c85f1edf25f761d299e2bcde46ac0afbe106

                  rufus-4.15_arm64.exe - 98304:2j+pov9zclawddtljxynwkqya0sgygvzz93jrozodglintci09jnrvgnisaapitw:kmqv

                  rufus-4.15p.exe - 84c8a437f8af89257524478489e5c85f1edf25f761d299e2bcde46ac0afbe106

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                  • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                    No clue whether the resulting ISO is also malicious, but tried running it just for giggles on a spare Windows PC from bootup and the machine's bios said nope, wouldn't allow b/c security policy. Not sure if it's related but I've never seen that message before trying to boot up from a USB.

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                    #56

                    @briankrebs

                    Its very likely that Secure Boot is kicking in. A Windows .iso written to a USB stick will pass, as will Debian, Ubuntu and a few other Linux distros. VMware ESXi and Proxmox will also pass.

                    At the boot stage, that is not a Windows PC - its just a PC!

                    To be honest if you are not sure exactly what is what, then Secure Boot is a good thing.

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                    • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                      Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                      Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                      #57

                      @briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                      any more, if I have the choice of loading stuff to a VM or directly to my laptop's real OS, I choose the former.

                      Sorta like when I need to run AI agents, I do it inside containers ...inside VMs.

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                      • dey@mastodon.socialD dey@mastodon.social

                        @briankrebs Ventoy is the new Rufus BTW.

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                        #58

                        @dey @briankrebs I must STRONGLY second this. Ventoy does everything that could do far far better.

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                        • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                          Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                          Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                          #59

                          @briankrebs This is absolutely insane. I've been using Rufus for years and years back when I was on Windows. Certainly it never used to have trojans. So I guess this means their site must have been taken over by someone hostile or something probably?

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                          • jordinki@infosec.exchangeJ jordinki@infosec.exchange

                            @briankrebs While the analysis marks as malicious, I couldn't get anything to pop. There is a caveat that it might only trigger if theres a removable drive inserted. Further, I did notice that the Google search result took me to the spanish version right away. Running updates catches an update for secure boot (believe microsoft posted a newer one for UEFI certs and so on) but the english version randomly complains about file header lengths not matching or something.

                            Something fishy about this, kinda smells like the notepad++ debacle but who knows without more defacto evidence.

                            SHA Dumpz
                            /es/ files:
                            rufus-4.15.exe - 84c8a437f8af89257524478489e5c85f1edf25f761d299e2bcde46ac0afbe106
                            rufus-4.15p.exe - 84c8a437f8af89257524478489e5c85f1edf25f761d299e2bcde46ac0afbe106
                            rufus-4.15_x86.exe - 20e1345715aff4aebf016839f721390882201a2b5d00655424c4ca38cb919576
                            /en/:
                            rufus-4.15.exe - 84c8a437f8af89257524478489e5c85f1edf25f761d299e2bcde46ac0afbe106

                            rufus-4.15_arm64.exe - 98304:2j+pov9zclawddtljxynwkqya0sgygvzz93jrozodglintci09jnrvgnisaapitw:kmqv

                            rufus-4.15p.exe - 84c8a437f8af89257524478489e5c85f1edf25f761d299e2bcde46ac0afbe106

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                            #60

                            @jordinki @briankrebs requiring a removable drive would be a hilariously perfect anti-sandbox method for this.

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                            • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                              Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                              Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                              #61
                              @briankrebs@infosec.exchange That site might have been taken over or something. Rufus was a "download and run" program that doesn't require installation.
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                              • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                                Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                                da_kink@defcon.social
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                                #62

                                @briankrebs huh, that's a shame. My normal workflow is that it might ask for a dd download but not much else. The secure boot is usually because of the need to allow third party certificates in the bios settings.

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                                • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                  Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                                  Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                                  #63

                                  @briankrebs ventoy is better. Boot the iso you want from a menu.

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                                  • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                    Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                                    Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                                    #64

                                    @briankrebs Yeah wait, forget what I wrote in this post before. Realtime protection being disabled seems to be standard behaviour at least for for the W10 version of Windows Sandbox? There's just no AV providers installed...
                                    Somehow never noticed when using that thing before 🤦‍♂️
                                    Sorry for the noise.

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                                    • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                      Not sure who needs to know this, but if you download and install the Windows version of Rufus, the free software for writing ISO images to USB/CD-ROM, your PC will end up with about 100 trojans.

                                      Edit: The site I downloaded from was rufus[.]ie which is apparently the official site. During installation, the software threw up a couple of rather verbose messages saying it needed to download additional components.

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                                      #65

                                      @briankrebs it's always nice to have measurements of that sort of thing to point people at. thanks.

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                                      • galaxis@mastodon.infra.deG galaxis@mastodon.infra.de

                                        @briankrebs Yeah wait, forget what I wrote in this post before. Realtime protection being disabled seems to be standard behaviour at least for for the W10 version of Windows Sandbox? There's just no AV providers installed...
                                        Somehow never noticed when using that thing before 🤦‍♂️
                                        Sorry for the noise.

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                                        #66

                                        @galaxis yes if you trust WindowsDefender to defend you against this attack you will be sorely mistaken. It successfully detects all the malware installed, but it acts weird and sends notifications about malware detections even though its own interface says a scan is clean.

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                                        • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                          A kind reader submitted the Rufus installer to any.run, a sandbox which walks through the installation of software to find malware that gets installed only *AFTER* the executable is clicked. You can see exactly all of the post-install prompts to download additional software that I also saw.

                                          https://infosec.exchange/@jordinki/117492425049116266

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                                          #67

                                          @briankrebs
                                          Related:
                                          https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-client/windows-security/update-secure-boot-certificates

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