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  3. Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP).

Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP).

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  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

    Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP). My advice remains the same:

    Don’t try switching OS first. The OS is the most easily replaceable bit in the stack. Switch applications first. Most ‘Linux’ apps are cross platform. They’ll run on Windows, and the few that don’t will run in WSL2. You can switch out apps one at a time, and take the time to get comfortable with the alternatives.

    Once you’re comfortable not using any Windows-only apps, changing the OS but using all of the same applications is very easy to do. Changing OS and application stack at the same time is an enormous obstacle.

    I believe this is also why a lot of corporate and government Linux migrations fail: they try to change everything at the same time and that’s too steep a learning curve.

    techtrest@ieji.deT This user is from outside of this forum
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    #50

    @david_chisnall I’ve been a Windows user since '95, but I never made the jump from 10 to 11. Instead, I switched to Fedora, and I haven't regretted it for a single minute. I leaned on AI to help me navigate a few setup hurdles, but now everything is running flawlessly. I get your logic, but I personally preferred just jumping into the cold water.

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    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

      Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP). My advice remains the same:

      Don’t try switching OS first. The OS is the most easily replaceable bit in the stack. Switch applications first. Most ‘Linux’ apps are cross platform. They’ll run on Windows, and the few that don’t will run in WSL2. You can switch out apps one at a time, and take the time to get comfortable with the alternatives.

      Once you’re comfortable not using any Windows-only apps, changing the OS but using all of the same applications is very easy to do. Changing OS and application stack at the same time is an enormous obstacle.

      I believe this is also why a lot of corporate and government Linux migrations fail: they try to change everything at the same time and that’s too steep a learning curve.

      harib_murshidi@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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      harib_murshidi@mastodon.social
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      #51

      @david_chisnall People in my part of the world ( #Pakistan) cos how easy it was to run a usb flashdrive there and the somewhat flashy and modern GUI (compared to Windows 98)

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      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

        Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP). My advice remains the same:

        Don’t try switching OS first. The OS is the most easily replaceable bit in the stack. Switch applications first. Most ‘Linux’ apps are cross platform. They’ll run on Windows, and the few that don’t will run in WSL2. You can switch out apps one at a time, and take the time to get comfortable with the alternatives.

        Once you’re comfortable not using any Windows-only apps, changing the OS but using all of the same applications is very easy to do. Changing OS and application stack at the same time is an enormous obstacle.

        I believe this is also why a lot of corporate and government Linux migrations fail: they try to change everything at the same time and that’s too steep a learning curve.

        djl@mastodon.mit.eduD This user is from outside of this forum
        djl@mastodon.mit.eduD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #52

        @david_chisnall

        FWIW, Window NT was (and it's descendents remain) a serious OS. It was a reimplementation (with improvements) of the widely respected VMS.

        The Mac folks didn't have a protected mode multitasking OS for another ten years, when they finally ported a version of Unix. Prior to that port, MacOS was as bletcherous a disaster as all of the pre-NT Windowses.

        Nowadays, all the OSes are protected mode multitasking. so which one you use makes no difference.

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        • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

          Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP). My advice remains the same:

          Don’t try switching OS first. The OS is the most easily replaceable bit in the stack. Switch applications first. Most ‘Linux’ apps are cross platform. They’ll run on Windows, and the few that don’t will run in WSL2. You can switch out apps one at a time, and take the time to get comfortable with the alternatives.

          Once you’re comfortable not using any Windows-only apps, changing the OS but using all of the same applications is very easy to do. Changing OS and application stack at the same time is an enormous obstacle.

          I believe this is also why a lot of corporate and government Linux migrations fail: they try to change everything at the same time and that’s too steep a learning curve.

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          turbulent@mastodon.social
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          #53

          @david_chisnall For many corps and orgs switching from proprietary microsoft office format to ODF would be a manageable step that would take them most of the way towards FOSS

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          • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

            @Brett_E_Carlock

            The need for an Internet connection to register and the linking of the license to a motherboard were the deal breakers. My 2K machine had gone through four motherboard upgrades by that point and was often updated somewhere where the Internet was flaky to nonexistent. The tellytubby UI was awful.

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            #54

            @david_chisnall

            Yes, that was what finally got me to leave Windows, too. I'd been using #Linux full-time at work since mid-2000, which helped a lot.

            It must be twenty years since I last owned a machine running #Windows. (The work laptop doesn't count.) If it hadn't been for #Microsoft's intrusive anti-piracy measures, I might be running Windows even now.

            @Brett_E_Carlock

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            • T turbulent@mastodon.social

              @david_chisnall For many corps and orgs switching from proprietary microsoft office format to ODF would be a manageable step that would take them most of the way towards FOSS

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              #55

              @turbulent @david_chisnall I've been trying to convince people of this for a while now. Mostly, I got blank stares.

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              • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP). My advice remains the same:

                Don’t try switching OS first. The OS is the most easily replaceable bit in the stack. Switch applications first. Most ‘Linux’ apps are cross platform. They’ll run on Windows, and the few that don’t will run in WSL2. You can switch out apps one at a time, and take the time to get comfortable with the alternatives.

                Once you’re comfortable not using any Windows-only apps, changing the OS but using all of the same applications is very easy to do. Changing OS and application stack at the same time is an enormous obstacle.

                I believe this is also why a lot of corporate and government Linux migrations fail: they try to change everything at the same time and that’s too steep a learning curve.

                jackryder@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                #56

                @david_chisnall this is very good advice for anyone doing a major shift in their environment.

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                • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                  Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP). My advice remains the same:

                  Don’t try switching OS first. The OS is the most easily replaceable bit in the stack. Switch applications first. Most ‘Linux’ apps are cross platform. They’ll run on Windows, and the few that don’t will run in WSL2. You can switch out apps one at a time, and take the time to get comfortable with the alternatives.

                  Once you’re comfortable not using any Windows-only apps, changing the OS but using all of the same applications is very easy to do. Changing OS and application stack at the same time is an enormous obstacle.

                  I believe this is also why a lot of corporate and government Linux migrations fail: they try to change everything at the same time and that’s too steep a learning curve.

                  crabbypup@cosocial.caC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #57

                  @david_chisnall

                  I switched basically full time to Linux in 2008, after vista blew up two months in a row and I'd spent time rebuilding my install.

                  But I'd already been using only open source cross platform available tools on windows for several years at that point.

                  Before windows XP, all our machines ran OS/2, with star office on them - so openoffice and later libreoffice was something I was already comfortable with.

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                  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                    Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP). My advice remains the same:

                    Don’t try switching OS first. The OS is the most easily replaceable bit in the stack. Switch applications first. Most ‘Linux’ apps are cross platform. They’ll run on Windows, and the few that don’t will run in WSL2. You can switch out apps one at a time, and take the time to get comfortable with the alternatives.

                    Once you’re comfortable not using any Windows-only apps, changing the OS but using all of the same applications is very easy to do. Changing OS and application stack at the same time is an enormous obstacle.

                    I believe this is also why a lot of corporate and government Linux migrations fail: they try to change everything at the same time and that’s too steep a learning curve.

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                    #58

                    @david_chisnall That's the exact strategy I took back in 2007 while managing my own IT business. I was a "certified Microsoft everything" but had been working with pretty much every OS out there at the time because my clientelle was diverse. I switched to open-source software first, one here, one there, and eventually had replaced all things MS. I then ran a dual-boot system until I was comfortable with using my new open source OS. 19 years later, I've almost convince my wife to give it a up

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                    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                      Almost 25 years ago, I wrote a blog post with the title ‘jumping ship slowly’ about leaving Windows (XP was awful, it was mind boggling to me that Vista managed to make people nostalgic for XP). My advice remains the same:

                      Don’t try switching OS first. The OS is the most easily replaceable bit in the stack. Switch applications first. Most ‘Linux’ apps are cross platform. They’ll run on Windows, and the few that don’t will run in WSL2. You can switch out apps one at a time, and take the time to get comfortable with the alternatives.

                      Once you’re comfortable not using any Windows-only apps, changing the OS but using all of the same applications is very easy to do. Changing OS and application stack at the same time is an enormous obstacle.

                      I believe this is also why a lot of corporate and government Linux migrations fail: they try to change everything at the same time and that’s too steep a learning curve.

                      multipass@blorbo.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #59

                      @david_chisnall I would love to get my workplace off of Windows just so I wouldn't have to use Teams. We could easuly do a slow rollout of LibreOffice and other productivity platforms, we have so many niche software platforms that sell maybe 1,000 very expensive server licenses per year so they never bother to release anything other than Windows and the niche is too small to have any sort of well-supported Linux alternative.

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