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  • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

    @neurovagrant In 2005, we had a rookie security consultant doing a penetration test for our client. To demonstrate that the client's app was vulnerable to SQL injection, he ran drop table users; via injection.

    Twenty years of progress means we can make the rookie mistakes faster and with fewer employees.

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    #52

    @paco @neurovagrant wouldn't that be a criminal offense at that point as well

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    • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

      the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

      scy@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #53

      @neurovagrant Morality. I think in this case the right word to use is morality.

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      • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

        the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

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        #54

        @neurovagrant It's beautiful.

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        • paco@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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          #55

          @astraleureka At approximately the same time (same year, probably) we had a WAF vendor some in and give a presentation on their product. We had demo access to a live version of it. We were playing with the console of the WAF itself, not some app behind the WAF.

          While the vendor is speaking my colleague starts testing stuff on the product console and within a couple minutes he’s pretty sure it’s vulnerable to SQL injection. He tries the classic “or 1=1” and he gets a well-formatted security error. Huh. It detected that and stopped it. He tried “or 2=2”. Bingo. It WAS vulnerable, but they were detecting and matching on the value “or 1=1” as some kind of literal. 🤦🏻

          I dont mean to derail the thread about careless people losing data to the automated , climate-destroying intern. It just triggers memories of hand made, non-automated failures in the past.

          @jztusk @neurovagrant

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          • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

            the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

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            #56

            @neurovagrant

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            • somevegancheeseisok@mastodon.socialS somevegancheeseisok@mastodon.social

              @jrdepriest @jztusk @paco @neurovagrant no, drop tables *also* let's you demonstrate the presence or absence of effective backups. It's a two for one test!

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              #57

              @SomeVeganCheeseIsOk @jrdepriest @jztusk @paco @neurovagrant And also the non-isolation of permissions (the SQL user the application connects with should not be able to perform DDL queries, only DQL and DML).

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              • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

                luap42@chaos.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                #58

                @neurovagrant good

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                • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                  the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

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                  #59

                  @neurovagrant Just waiting for the day, when Claude deletes my employer's company wide network shares.

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                  • kirakira@furry.engineerK kirakira@furry.engineer

                    @neurovagrant apes gone

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                    #60

                    @kirakira @neurovagrant all of em

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                    • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                      the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

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                      #61

                      @neurovagrant Part of the AI folkore, as long as your company is not big enough for "my agent/model is commiting crimes now".

                      Both still leave me puzzled, because in a professional context, this is a clear sign not to trust those people or even do business with them. But I might not be a professional... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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                      • aronowski@furry.engineerA aronowski@furry.engineer

                        @joshg @neurovagrant In the case of AI agent, it might be a good idea to treat it like a separate person with its own identity, accounts and permissions.
                        Always relevant: https://furry.engineer/@aronowski/116486886171382391

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                        #62

                        @aronowski
                        I vastly prefer the "don't use the stupid wasteful unethical thing" option, myself.
                        @neurovagrant

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                        • derherrfreitag@bonn.socialD derherrfreitag@bonn.social

                          @neurovagrant Part of the AI folkore, as long as your company is not big enough for "my agent/model is commiting crimes now".

                          Both still leave me puzzled, because in a professional context, this is a clear sign not to trust those people or even do business with them. But I might not be a professional... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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                          #63

                          @neurovagrant Oh, CTO midnight foundation... "dedicated to growing the Midnight network — a fourth-generation blockchain built for secure, compliant, and private decentralised applications". 🙄

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                          • patricksh@mas.toP patricksh@mas.to

                            @neurovagrant been thinking about aliasing rm -rf as “finish-him”

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                            #64

                            @patricksh @neurovagrant 100% YES

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                            • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                              the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

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                              #65

                              @neurovagrant Did he not know that rm -rf was? I honestly don't know what was supposed to do. And, if he closes most sandboxes, they tend to delete because they are temporary. I don't get it.

                              I don't get what this guy was trying to do and I don't think I will understand. I feel silly.

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                              • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

                                dch@bsd.networkD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #66

                                @neurovagrant also, people still not doing backups/restore testing, no zfs, no jails / containers / other restrictions. Kids these days.

                                neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN drwho@masto.hackers.townD 2 Replies Last reply
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                                • dch@bsd.networkD dch@bsd.network

                                  @neurovagrant also, people still not doing backups/restore testing, no zfs, no jails / containers / other restrictions. Kids these days.

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                                  #67

                                  @dch right?

                                  the fundamentals do not disappear regardless of the presence of spicy autocorrect

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                                  • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                    the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

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                                    #68

                                    @neurovagrant 😅 .

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                                    • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                                      @neurovagrant In 2005, we had a rookie security consultant doing a penetration test for our client. To demonstrate that the client's app was vulnerable to SQL injection, he ran drop table users; via injection.

                                      Twenty years of progress means we can make the rookie mistakes faster and with fewer employees.

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                                      #69

                                      @paco@infosec.exchange @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org I suppose he managed to prove his point...

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                                      • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                        the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

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                                        #70

                                        @neurovagrant To prove that this gun is not loaded I will shoot you in the face with it.

                                        boom

                                        I caused this. This is what happened:

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                                        • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                          the rm -rf's will continue until morale improves

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                                          #71

                                          @neurovagrant Use stupid software, win stupid prizes

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