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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    "In a sense your book, your artwork already exists. It is waiting in the matrices generated by training for you to call it up."

    "Are you saying that every possible thing one could create is in those matrices?"

    "oh no no no. That would be unworkable, numerically impossible. But they do contain every possible thing that could matter or stand a chance of being worth looking at."

    "How can you know that?"

    "Look it's Will Smith eating spaghetti. So random! This system contains everything."

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      "In a sense your book, your artwork already exists. It is waiting in the matrices generated by training for you to call it up."

      "Are you saying that every possible thing one could create is in those matrices?"

      "oh no no no. That would be unworkable, numerically impossible. But they do contain every possible thing that could matter or stand a chance of being worth looking at."

      "How can you know that?"

      "Look it's Will Smith eating spaghetti. So random! This system contains everything."

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      #2

      I would think the instincts of artists would lead them to want to create whatever was NOT in that set. Whatever story, or image that could not be reached by a prompt. Though this does explain why everything from these machines feels the same.

      Jorge Luis Borges imagined a "The Library of Babel" this was realized as in internet project that uses a kind of cryptographic slight of hand to do a magic trick of compressing the infinite.

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        I would think the instincts of artists would lead them to want to create whatever was NOT in that set. Whatever story, or image that could not be reached by a prompt. Though this does explain why everything from these machines feels the same.

        Jorge Luis Borges imagined a "The Library of Babel" this was realized as in internet project that uses a kind of cryptographic slight of hand to do a magic trick of compressing the infinite.

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        #3

        At first it seems astounding that there is a URL for every possible "book" in this infinite library. How can a short URL provide a path to so many possibilities? (how is such a function possible?)

        But THEN you look more closely and realize that the library only uses lower case letters. A limited character set. So the URL is just... encoding.

        That's all prompts are too.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          I would think the instincts of artists would lead them to want to create whatever was NOT in that set. Whatever story, or image that could not be reached by a prompt. Though this does explain why everything from these machines feels the same.

          Jorge Luis Borges imagined a "The Library of Babel" this was realized as in internet project that uses a kind of cryptographic slight of hand to do a magic trick of compressing the infinite.

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          #4

          @futurebird The Library of Babel *isn't* infinite, though.

          It is just very, very large. (And most of the books contained in it are garbage).

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          • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

            @futurebird The Library of Babel *isn't* infinite, though.

            It is just very, very large. (And most of the books contained in it are garbage).

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            @datarama

            It feels infinite. LLMs are exploiting that same gap in our understanding of the large.

            They feel like they offer "limitless creativity" ... but in fact it's deeply constricted. Specifically it is constricted by the scope of the training data.

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            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

              At first it seems astounding that there is a URL for every possible "book" in this infinite library. How can a short URL provide a path to so many possibilities? (how is such a function possible?)

              But THEN you look more closely and realize that the library only uses lower case letters. A limited character set. So the URL is just... encoding.

              That's all prompts are too.

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              #6

              @futurebird I think that the trick is that the path part of the shortened url would would trend towards being infinitely long

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                At first it seems astounding that there is a URL for every possible "book" in this infinite library. How can a short URL provide a path to so many possibilities? (how is such a function possible?)

                But THEN you look more closely and realize that the library only uses lower case letters. A limited character set. So the URL is just... encoding.

                That's all prompts are too.

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                #7

                @futurebird this is such a fantastic way to articulate it. Thank you. 🙏

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  At first it seems astounding that there is a URL for every possible "book" in this infinite library. How can a short URL provide a path to so many possibilities? (how is such a function possible?)

                  But THEN you look more closely and realize that the library only uses lower case letters. A limited character set. So the URL is just... encoding.

                  That's all prompts are too.

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                  @futurebird

                  at some point you will butt in to the 8192 char URL size limit though.

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                    @futurebird I think that the trick is that the path part of the shortened url would would trend towards being infinitely long

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                    @gbsills

                    No need for it to trend in that way when the universe of possible responses is finite (but very large and marketed as “infinite”)

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                    • benh@mastodon.scotB benh@mastodon.scot

                      @futurebird

                      at some point you will butt in to the 8192 char URL size limit though.

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                      #10

                      @benh

                      It would seem that way but this isn’t a problem if you constrain the universe of possible responses sufficiently.

                      If you can use symbols, capital and lowercase letters and numbers in the URL you can make a shorter address for very long passages of words (written using only lowercase letters)

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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        @benh

                        It would seem that way but this isn’t a problem if you constrain the universe of possible responses sufficiently.

                        If you can use symbols, capital and lowercase letters and numbers in the URL you can make a shorter address for very long passages of words (written using only lowercase letters)

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                        @futurebird

                        so you might squeeze out some extra bandwidth using this compression, but you will run into the limit at some point?

                        or do I not understand?

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                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                          At first it seems astounding that there is a URL for every possible "book" in this infinite library. How can a short URL provide a path to so many possibilities? (how is such a function possible?)

                          But THEN you look more closely and realize that the library only uses lower case letters. A limited character set. So the URL is just... encoding.

                          That's all prompts are too.

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                          @futurebird the blurry line between encoding, and bookmarking

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