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Running Podman in production for years now, and I don't miss the Docker daemon one bit.

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  • slash909uk@mastodon.me.ukS slash909uk@mastodon.me.uk

    @Larvitz nice!

    I am halfway with podman; still have compose files launched from systemd units that I write myself - they are all basically identical except the home directory setting 🙂

    I deliberately use compose start only, not run. I do not want restarts to be messing about pulling new images when I dont expect it!

    Is there an equivalent to quadlets for alternative init tools? I would not want to lock myself into systemd right now 😁 seriousky looking at BSD.

    larvitz@burningboard.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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    #24

    @Slash909uk I doin't know of any alternatives. Quadlets are transniently transformed into systemd units by a generator. That's all very systemd specific.

    FreeBSD's Podman port ships with rc.d service scripts already. You enable them with:

    sysrc podman_enable=YES
    service podman start
    sysrc podman_service_enable=YES
    service podman_service start

    Then, containers started with --restart=always will be automatically restarted after a host reboot. Podman's internal restart logic handles this, with the podman service acting as the supervisor. This is the closest equivalent to what quadlets do on Linux.

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    • larvitz@burningboard.netL larvitz@burningboard.net

      @Slash909uk I doin't know of any alternatives. Quadlets are transniently transformed into systemd units by a generator. That's all very systemd specific.

      FreeBSD's Podman port ships with rc.d service scripts already. You enable them with:

      sysrc podman_enable=YES
      service podman start
      sysrc podman_service_enable=YES
      service podman_service start

      Then, containers started with --restart=always will be automatically restarted after a host reboot. Podman's internal restart logic handles this, with the podman service acting as the supervisor. This is the closest equivalent to what quadlets do on Linux.

      slash909uk@mastodon.me.ukS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #25

      @Larvitz thanks, good to know there is BSD support already 👍

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      • larvitz@burningboard.netL larvitz@burningboard.net

        Running Podman in production for years now, and I don't miss the Docker daemon one bit.

        I just published a deep dive on managing OCI containers the Unix way: daemonless, rootless, and natively integrated with systemd via Quadlets.

        I cover:
        - Real secrets management
        - Auto-updates via systemd timers
        - The Docker compatibility layer

        This is the guide I wish I had when making the switch.

        Read it here: https://blog.hofstede.it/podman-in-production-quadlets-secrets-auto-updates-and-docker-compatibility/

        #Podman #Linux #DevOps #Systemd #Homelab #Sysadmin #Containers

        arouene@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #26

        @Larvitz Thanks for this great guide! I’m also a heavy user of
        podman since years, and it's my number one solution for deploying services.

        I had a question about the pod-in-pod deployment of forgejo / traefik,
        giving access to the docker.socket allows thoses pods to create pods, but then
        it can create privileged pods which mount the root volume of the host, right?
        Even with the NoNewPrivileges arg?

        Is there a way to control what a pod having access to the docker.socket can
        create?

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        • slash909uk@mastodon.me.ukS slash909uk@mastodon.me.uk

          @Larvitz thanks, good to know there is BSD support already 👍

          larvitz@burningboard.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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          #27

          @Slash909uk

          https://burningboard.net/@Larvitz/116357824557155636

          🙂

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          • larvitz@burningboard.netL larvitz@burningboard.net

            Running Podman in production for years now, and I don't miss the Docker daemon one bit.

            I just published a deep dive on managing OCI containers the Unix way: daemonless, rootless, and natively integrated with systemd via Quadlets.

            I cover:
            - Real secrets management
            - Auto-updates via systemd timers
            - The Docker compatibility layer

            This is the guide I wish I had when making the switch.

            Read it here: https://blog.hofstede.it/podman-in-production-quadlets-secrets-auto-updates-and-docker-compatibility/

            #Podman #Linux #DevOps #Systemd #Homelab #Sysadmin #Containers

            oliv@toot.iopush.netO This user is from outside of this forum
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            #28

            @Larvitz thanks. I never took the time to explore Podman, I think I will do it in close future thanks to your nice article 👍

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            • larvitz@burningboard.netL larvitz@burningboard.net

              Running Podman in production for years now, and I don't miss the Docker daemon one bit.

              I just published a deep dive on managing OCI containers the Unix way: daemonless, rootless, and natively integrated with systemd via Quadlets.

              I cover:
              - Real secrets management
              - Auto-updates via systemd timers
              - The Docker compatibility layer

              This is the guide I wish I had when making the switch.

              Read it here: https://blog.hofstede.it/podman-in-production-quadlets-secrets-auto-updates-and-docker-compatibility/

              #Podman #Linux #DevOps #Systemd #Homelab #Sysadmin #Containers

              svenhennessen@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #29

              @Larvitz We are using podman for a year now as a local Docker replacement for developing distributed apps (.NET, Postgres, MSSQL, Kafka, etc.) on MacOS/Windows. The early quirks are gone, several months now without an issue.

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              • svenhennessen@mastodon.socialS svenhennessen@mastodon.social

                @Larvitz We are using podman for a year now as a local Docker replacement for developing distributed apps (.NET, Postgres, MSSQL, Kafka, etc.) on MacOS/Windows. The early quirks are gone, several months now without an issue.

                larvitz@burningboard.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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                #30

                @svenhennessen awesome! I use it to run production workloads on my linux server (forgejo, Nextcloud, Keycloak etc.). Worked for the last 4 years without any issue.

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                • larvitz@burningboard.netL larvitz@burningboard.net

                  Running Podman in production for years now, and I don't miss the Docker daemon one bit.

                  I just published a deep dive on managing OCI containers the Unix way: daemonless, rootless, and natively integrated with systemd via Quadlets.

                  I cover:
                  - Real secrets management
                  - Auto-updates via systemd timers
                  - The Docker compatibility layer

                  This is the guide I wish I had when making the switch.

                  Read it here: https://blog.hofstede.it/podman-in-production-quadlets-secrets-auto-updates-and-docker-compatibility/

                  #Podman #Linux #DevOps #Systemd #Homelab #Sysadmin #Containers

                  bexelbie@toot.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #31

                  @Larvitz I use podman for all my unorchestrated containers. Love it. How we I’ve stayed away from podman secrets as they used to be written to disk in plaintext. Did that get fixed?

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                  • bexelbie@toot.ioB bexelbie@toot.io

                    @Larvitz I use podman for all my unorchestrated containers. Love it. How we I’ve stayed away from podman secrets as they used to be written to disk in plaintext. Did that get fixed?

                    larvitz@burningboard.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #32

                    @bexelbie The secrets (by default) are stored in json files under /var/lib/containers/storage/secrets .. Only protected by the file-system permissions. If you want them to be encrypted at rest, you could use something like OpenBao (OSS fork of Hashicorp Vault)

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                    • larvitz@burningboard.netL larvitz@burningboard.net

                      Running Podman in production for years now, and I don't miss the Docker daemon one bit.

                      I just published a deep dive on managing OCI containers the Unix way: daemonless, rootless, and natively integrated with systemd via Quadlets.

                      I cover:
                      - Real secrets management
                      - Auto-updates via systemd timers
                      - The Docker compatibility layer

                      This is the guide I wish I had when making the switch.

                      Read it here: https://blog.hofstede.it/podman-in-production-quadlets-secrets-auto-updates-and-docker-compatibility/

                      #Podman #Linux #DevOps #Systemd #Homelab #Sysadmin #Containers

                      junicast@chaos.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #33

                      @Larvitz I have been running podman in production for years as well and I must say what an excellent documentation that is. I didn't know about quadlets but I will integrate it into my Ansible workflow for sure.

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                      • larvitz@burningboard.netL larvitz@burningboard.net

                        Running Podman in production for years now, and I don't miss the Docker daemon one bit.

                        I just published a deep dive on managing OCI containers the Unix way: daemonless, rootless, and natively integrated with systemd via Quadlets.

                        I cover:
                        - Real secrets management
                        - Auto-updates via systemd timers
                        - The Docker compatibility layer

                        This is the guide I wish I had when making the switch.

                        Read it here: https://blog.hofstede.it/podman-in-production-quadlets-secrets-auto-updates-and-docker-compatibility/

                        #Podman #Linux #DevOps #Systemd #Homelab #Sysadmin #Containers

                        morl99@hessen.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #34

                        @Larvitz great guide! I am not buying the recommendation on using Docker Desktop on Mac though. I have been using Podman Desktop for the last year and I just think it's great. I really have no reason to go back to Docker for this.

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                        • larvitz@burningboard.netL larvitz@burningboard.net

                          Running Podman in production for years now, and I don't miss the Docker daemon one bit.

                          I just published a deep dive on managing OCI containers the Unix way: daemonless, rootless, and natively integrated with systemd via Quadlets.

                          I cover:
                          - Real secrets management
                          - Auto-updates via systemd timers
                          - The Docker compatibility layer

                          This is the guide I wish I had when making the switch.

                          Read it here: https://blog.hofstede.it/podman-in-production-quadlets-secrets-auto-updates-and-docker-compatibility/

                          #Podman #Linux #DevOps #Systemd #Homelab #Sysadmin #Containers

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                          #35

                          @Larvitz hi! Thanks for sharing. FYI in your article you use '’' (U+2019 "Right Single Quotation Mark") for apostrophes in e.g. »isn’t« and this confuses my screenreader (thankfully I am sighted).

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