They pay $34 for burgers.
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@Thad @gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke This whole discussion is so silly because any perceived problem is easily solved in 2 simple steps: 1) Feed ALL the kids. 2) Tax the rich so they pay their fair share of the program's total cost. Was that hard?
@Thad @gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke And of course, the same principle applies to healthcare, child care, etc., etc. Not complicated with 10 seconds of thought.
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@Thad @gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke And of course, the same principle applies to healthcare, child care, etc., etc. Not complicated with 10 seconds of thought.
@BruceMirken @Thad @gbargoud @realtegan @mekkaokereke Seems so logical.
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
That's about 1/3 of the country on the far right. It's not everyone. 1/3 on the left would say let's feed all the kids in case one is hungry. And the 1/3 in the middle vascillate.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out,"
reminds me of "[when we build 15-minute towns, people want to move there and prices go up – therefore 15-minute towns are only for the wealthy and an inherently discriminatory idea]" -
As I recall, back then school lunches were a dumping ground for American food companies to get rid of excess products so they could claim a tax break while foisting that crap on our still developing children.
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And then there's the question of how "food" and "lunch" are defined.
I was a gradeschooler in the early-mid '80s, in a rich-to-very-rich suburban U.S. school district. The lunches – not free – were high in processed fat, white starch, sugar, salt, and additives. Hamburgers with a bunch of filler; hot dogs, gas station-spec nachos, "french bread pizza", chikkin nuggets, dubious cheese, boiled-to-death canned vegetables, sugary canned fruit cocktail, etc. Filled up my belly (and enlarged it), but nutrition? LOLnope. I'm sure they've only got worse in the United States of Ketchup Counts As A Vegetable. Oh yeah, they also offered a "brown bag special" at lower cost, which was a couple slices of questionable bologna and a square of plastic cheez with imitation mayonnaise, on white bread.
Compare that slop to this what they somehow manage to do in Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITzRFAfJsLA
@isocat @bipolaron @realtegan @mekkaokereke remember when they offered good food in a maximum security prison and halved murder and violent crime rates?
Soon rolled that back to processed aggression and slop.
They should force those responsible to eat it until they atone (forever)
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @CStamp@mastodon.social @realtegan @mekkaokereke That's very Finnish thing too.
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@BruceMirken @Thad @gbargoud @realtegan @mekkaokereke Seems so logical.
@CStamp @BruceMirken @Thad @gbargoud @realtegan @mekkaokereke Yeah, but only if you're a socialist! /s
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@CStamp @BruceMirken @Thad @gbargoud @realtegan @mekkaokereke Yeah, but only if you're a socialist! /s
@tongpu @CStamp @Thad @gbargoud @realtegan @mekkaokereke Better that than a capitalist!
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@paul_ipv6 @realtegan @blainecross @mekkaokereke Is there really anything more important on earth than feeding and nurturing our children? Should anyone really care about what it costs? Aren't they all our children, and therefore our future as a species? Never mind whether they're genetically related to us or not, are they not still ours in the most fundamental sense imaginable? What is wrong with these people who only see in them something to constrain, deprive and punish?
@Canevecchio this is exactly what the Black Panthers did: Feeding children. That hit the system in the core and the government fought them like hell. The press followed suit to vilify them as much as possible. @paul_ipv6 @realtegan @blainecross @mekkaokereke
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@CStamp @BruceMirken @Thad @gbargoud @realtegan @mekkaokereke Yeah, but only if you're a socialist! /s
@tongpu @BruceMirken @Thad @gbargoud @realtegan @mekkaokereke Or decent human?
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Also, we'll spend way more money to check that no one is free loading than it would cost to just let those 4 people who don't strictly *need* it, have it.
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @aj @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke I remember hearing stories about Americans who, when donating an old coat to charity, would cut the buttons off first so that the charity recipient who got it didn’t feel too cocky about their new, unearned clothes
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What does this have to do with free childcare or free school? Or more accurately, public childcare or public school?
Well, in the United States, public schools are funded by local taxes of the community that the school is in. This creates a situation where the best schools are near the most expensive houses, not where the most students are, or where the best schools are needed.
This has a concentrating effect, where people buy expensive houses near good schools, which drives up the price of houses, which produces more money for the school district, which makes the schools better, which drives up the price of houses... ♾️
This is a free school in a rich part of the US:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4dy25VmCwThis is a free school in a poor part of the US:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nD3P-utKYZ0A homeless Black woman wanted her child to go to school, so she had to list an address. She listed her child's babysitter's address. This qualified her child to go to a good school. But the school district found out about it. What do you think they did?
a) Let the child keep going to the school
b) Force the child to transfer to a school in a district with her homeless shelter
c) charge the mother with a felony, convict her, giving her a five year prison sentence, and causing her to lose custody of her childForgive me, I take things literally. I assumed the debate was about funding a fire service.
Thank you for sharing the tragedy of the situation, which is cruel and horrific.
I genuinely cannot understand why people don't want to share. Don't want others to have the same good things in life that they have or had. Or want to deny or take away these things from others.
You don't know me, but I wish all of this for you and yours. And I wish you peace and joy, today and always.
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Forgive me, I take things literally. I assumed the debate was about funding a fire service.
Thank you for sharing the tragedy of the situation, which is cruel and horrific.
I genuinely cannot understand why people don't want to share. Don't want others to have the same good things in life that they have or had. Or want to deny or take away these things from others.
You don't know me, but I wish all of this for you and yours. And I wish you peace and joy, today and always.
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@gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Also, we'll spend way more money to check that no one is free loading than it would cost to just let those 4 people who don't strictly *need* it, have it.
@CStamp @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @jennifer @realtegan
And has been pointed out so many times: the right would rather 100 suffered than let 1 benefit when they are judged unworthy where the left would rather 100 benefited when perhaps they aren’t truly eligible than let 1 suffer. In the UK the return from prosecuting tax fraud is huge: but what do we prioritise?
I’m convinced by the argument that cruelty is the point
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Harm is primary to racism.Why help 99 white poor people and one Black person when you can harm the Black person. Racists believe the Black person must not be able to stand. It’s pure irrational fear of a 180 flip and them being enslaved. They mirror how they are onto how others will be.
All other instances, including on all whites, stem from this being set as a mental model of how to operate.
The model isn’t challenged on the poor because it would led to the same question on the colour, and remember, harm to Blacks IS the point. The route of poverty in the US is racism.
It is all, what magicians would call, ‘misdirection’.
As long as the core philosophy is on splitting society and not building the American Dream, you will get questions on freeloading.
Side note. There are no freeloaders to basic human rights.
We the people.
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke but of course, not the freeloaders in charge of everything, no, just the imaginary freeloader they point at who works 2000% harder than a billionaire ever had to.
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@mekkaokereke
When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.
We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.
@realtegan @mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io As stated in another thread, there’s a nasty tendency to be willing to make hundreds suffer to prevent one, perhaps illusory, freeloader
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"Some of NYC's poorest people WORK in the wealthiest neighborhoods. And although there is income segregation in NYC it's never absolute. There are poor people in every single neighborhood.
But also the best way to ensure a public service is high quality is to make it so everyone uses it. Things just "for the poor" tend to slowly become terrible.
