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  3. When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

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  • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

    When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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    #33
    Scientists generally want you to know, the people that finance their work on the other hand? It depends on how marketable is the discovery
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    • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

      When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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      #34

      @jascha

      That's a bit like saying "Nine out of ten dentists... leaves one dentist."

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      • anatomical_normalcy@mastodon.socialA anatomical_normalcy@mastodon.social

        @RogerBW @jascha
        Scientists don't want to bother debunking Flat Earth because someone already did that with a stick thousands of years ago

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        #35

        @anatomical_normalcy @RogerBW @jascha you don't need to debunk flat earth. It's perfectly fine, you'll just have to deal with a horrible geometry and a lot of additional assumptions to compensate for your shitty model 🧚

        Aaand: as a local approximation it's killer 🙂

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        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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          #36

          @jascha they want you to know so bad, they've devised a whole elaborate system around publishing their research.

          They're holding regular conferences and publish everything that's been presented there as "proceedings".

          They _teach_ at public institutions to make sure more people know each year.

          They want you to know! That's literally their job

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          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

            When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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            #37

            @jascha Also, "they paid off the scientists to say [something untrue]" (or to hide the truth) is another sign that the speaker doesn't know a damn thing about scientists (and probably has an axe to grind and/or some snake oil to sell you).

            If they were that motivated by money, they wouldn't have gone into science in the first place. They'd have gotten an MBA or something.

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            • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

              When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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              #38

              @jascha Translation: "scientists don't want you to believe this, because they know it's nonsense."

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              • arendjr@mstdn.socialA arendjr@mstdn.social

                @jascha while I agree that it is indeed an overly generalist statement, I don’t think you should dismiss everything someone says after they made a possible mistake.

                Physicians often don’t want you to know about metaphysics. Biologists often don’t want you to know about endogenetics. Computer scientists don’t want you to understand quantum computers.

                Scientists are people like everyone else, and they too will often deny what you say based on bias or pass you off like a hot potato.

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                @arendjr @jascha I can think of no reason why a computer scientist wouldn't want you to understand quantum computers. There's furthermore plenty of stuff you can read online about them. You can dig into all the theory and learn quite a lot.

                What makes you think we want to hide this knowledge from you? It's not like you can go build a quantum computer and accidentally everyone into dust or puddles of bio remnant goo.

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                • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                  @GutterPoetry @jascha So to follow up and be clear...

                  Has there been misogyny in medicine? Yes.

                  Is all medicine misogynistic? No.

                  Nuance.

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                  #40

                  @knowprose @GutterPoetry @jascha Wrong nuance.

                  Your little hair split doesn't even matter because you left out the important bit:

                  * Is there a system of misogyny in medical science that results in improper medicine? Yes.

                  "But not everyone is misogynistic..." 🙄

                  You're not even making a point even though you think it's a very important one.

                  "nuance" <- ass

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                  • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                    When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                    #41

                    @jascha Tired: "scientists keep telling me this is bullshit"
                    Wired: "scientists don't want you to know"

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                    • rogerbw@discordian.socialR rogerbw@discordian.social

                      @jascha Scientists probably don't want you to listen to flat earth no-vaccines guy, but that's because someone did the debunking 50 years ago back when that seemed worth doing.

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                      #42

                      @RogerBW @jascha
                      50 years ago?

                      Maybe for vaccines.

                      We¹ knew the Earth is round 600 BC, and had calculated the circumference by 300 BC.

                      ¹) The people who lived in Greece back then, of course none of us had been born yet.

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