Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word.
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@mcc @whitequark there's definite tribalism. the first example that came to mind is plural-data (which I hate)
@gsuberland @whitequark These datums
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@whitequark @syn @mcc interesting that clicking through on a Russian word gives a slightly different name: syllabic abbreviation https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#syllabic_abbreviation
@gribnoysup @syn @mcc oh, i guess that's the exact thing mcc is looking for then
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc This might be a good place to start for info about that feature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_abbreviated_and_contracted_words
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@gsuberland @whitequark These datums
@mcc @whitequark all my datums, gone
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc Like Nabisco (for National Biscuit Company) or SoHo (South of Houston?) Some parts of the internet say "syllabic abbreviations" although obviously that should be shortened to syllabbs.
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc
I remember:
The shortening of the name of the show Absolutely Fabulous to AbFab
MST3K using ConHugeCo as a name for a gigantic corporation -
Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc The closest I can find is people just saying "we have no specific English word for this, so we'll borrow the Japanese word ryakugo".
Which is translated as 'abbreviation' but it's kind of like how 'danraku' is translated as 'paragraph' even though they're similar but not really the same thing.
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@mcc @whitequark all my datums, gone
@gsuberland @mcc @whitequark
Time to bring out my absolute favourite linguistics discussion of all time again -
Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc
German does that all the time, but I don't know of any specific term for this. -
This name is unacceptably long, and therefore I propose we shorten it to "SylAb"
@mcc you may also consider it a kind of clipped compound, or ClipCom
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@mcc
German does that all the time, but I don't know of any specific term for this.@slowtiger @mcc I’m having trouble imagining words so long that German needs to shorten them
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@whitequark @syn If wikitionary had actually spelled it "acromym" I would have proposed making it the new official name for the concept
@mcc @whitequark @syn Nazi and Stasi are whatever this is, too. Spotting a pattern...
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@slowtiger @mcc I’m having trouble imagining words so long that German needs to shorten them
@ShadSterling @mcc
We do that for daily use: "Landesamt für Gesundheit und Soziales Berlin" becomes "Lageso". -
@gsuberland @mcc @whitequark
Time to bring out my absolute favourite linguistics discussion of all time again@http_error_418 @gsuberland @mcc @whitequark The rhyming couplet at the end! *le baiser d'un chef*
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@gsuberland @mcc @whitequark
Time to bring out my absolute favourite linguistics discussion of all time again@http_error_418 @gsuberland @mcc @whitequark
the last one is even kinda readable once you know to read that strange "o" as "the".
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@gsuberland @mcc @whitequark
Time to bring out my absolute favourite linguistics discussion of all time again -
@gsuberland @mcc @whitequark
Time to bring out my absolute favourite linguistics discussion of all time again@http_error_418 @gsuberland @mcc @whitequark @david_chisnall I never thought I would see “Dog Anglo-Saxon” lol
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc I'd just think of it as a portmanteau
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc japanese likes to take *two* ~syllables from each word, like pasocon for personal computer
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Imagine an "acronym" but instead of taking the first letter of each word, you took the entire first syllable of each word. I notice Japan, which incidentally has a syllabary, seems to create this sort of "acronym" fairly often.
Is there a word, like a linguistics word, for this type of syllabic "acronym"?
@mcc Mandarin also does this, but with the first character (e.g. 高速铁路, "high speed railway", becomes 高铁, "high iron"). I would probably call them abbreviations, but that's somewhat generic
legal german does it similarly, but they just use enough characters to distinguish conflicting terms, it can get annoying
e.g. BVerfG for Bundesverfassungsgericht and BVerwG for Bundesverwaltungsgericht, two different courts
or SGB for Socialgesetzbuch and StGB for Strafgesetzbuch, two different laws
